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Jacquline

Jacquline Report 12 Feb 2013 21:19

could anyone please find a marriage for john jenner to ellen ? around 1839 in staffordshire
thank you
Jackie :-)

Kim Annette

Kim Annette Report 12 Feb 2013 21:28


Jacqueline.. found this even to cross out.......

John Jenner



Year of Marriage

1841



Quarter of Marriage

Oct-Nov-Dec



Registration District

Westbourne



Registration County

Sussex



Spouse's Surname

Only available for records after 1912



Volume Number

7



Volume Page

777




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Spouse Match


John Jenner married one of the people below:
Mary DROWLEY View
Sarah EARWAKER View
Ellen WILTON View
Henry HAMMOND View
George SHEPHERD View

Catherine

Catherine Report 12 Feb 2013 21:29

This is the only one that I can see before 1841:-

Marriages Dec 1841 (>99%)
DROWLEY Mary Westbourne 7 777
EARWAKER Sarah Westbourne 7 777
HAMMOND Henry Westbourne 7 777
JENNER John Westbourne 7 777
SHEPHERD George Westbourne 7 777
WILTON Ellen Westbourne 7 777
The district Westbourne is in the county of Sussex

Is it not possible that they married somewhere other than Staffordshire?
People did not always marry in the area that they lived.

There's also the possibility that they married before Sep.1837 in which case there will not be a marriage record only a parish record.

Catherine

Catherine Report 12 Feb 2013 21:35

Is this the family?

1851 England Census about John Genner
Name: John Genner
[John Jenner]
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Genner
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Tipton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Tipton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1u
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 122 1/2
Piece: 2029
Folio: 666
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
John Genner 35
Ellen Genner 32 born: Tipton, Staffordshire
Richard Genner 11 born: Tipton, Staffordshire
Margerett Genner 9
Mary Genner 6
Pheobe Genner 6 Mo
Charles Jones 22

The birth certificate of one of their children should give you mother's maiden name, which may help find, or confirm, a marriage.


Same family in 1841:-

1841 England Census about John Jenner
Name: John Jenner
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Tipton
Hundred: South Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Miner (coal)

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Tipton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 982
Book: 11
Folio: 9
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
John Jenner 24
Ellen Jenner 20
Rich Jenner 1 2 Mo

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 12 Feb 2013 21:39

Is this the family in 1861?

Piece: RG9/2045 Place: Tipton -Staffordshire Enumeration District: 22
Civil Parish: Tipton Ecclesiastical Parish: St Martin
Folio: 20 Page: 35 Schedule: 188
Address: Horseley Heath

JENNER John Head M M 46 Coal Miner Staffordshire - Wolverhampton
JENNER Ellen Wife M F 44 Washerwomwn Staffordshire - Tipton
JENNER Richard Son U M 22 Lab In Ironworks Staffordshire - Tipton
JENNER Margaret Dau U F 20 General Servant Staffordshire - Tipton
JENNER Phoebe Dau - F 9 Staffordshire - Tipton
JENNER John Son - M 6 Staffordshire - Tipton
JENNER Henry Son - M 1 Staffordshire - Tipton

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 12 Feb 2013 21:40

thank you both just thought it would be around 1840 as their eldest son was born in 1840 ellen was 20 on 1841 cencus so would have been 16 in 1837 don,t think it would be in sussex as its quite away from west bromwich or dudley and they were in tipton all their lives although anything is possible
thanks Jackie

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 12 Feb 2013 21:42

yes thats them

Catherine

Catherine Report 12 Feb 2013 21:46

Do you know the maiden name of Ellen?

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 12 Feb 2013 21:47

yes will have to get birth cert for one of the children thought I would see if someone could find it first in case i was missing something
thank you all

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 12 Feb 2013 21:49

no sorry catherine

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 12 Feb 2013 21:54

Is there a birth for mary jenner about 1845 please

Andrew

Andrew Report 12 Feb 2013 21:56

IGI has

John Jenner marrying Ellen Cooper

17 Oct 1836

Dudley

Andy

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 12 Feb 2013 21:58

mary is also missing from the 1861 cencus and she didn't marry untill 1868 :-S

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 12 Feb 2013 22:01

thanks andrew she would have only been 15 was it legal then?

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Feb 2013 22:09

Jacquline

Use freebmd to look for the birth info yourself...............

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

BUT....until 1875, there were no penalties for not registering births.............therefore, many went unrecorded

EDIT

Richard's birth is on freebmd

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 12 Feb 2013 22:15

thank you reggie

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Feb 2013 22:15

You must remember that in 1841 ages of over-15's were rounded down to the nearest '5'

Look at her age in 1851.................

Andrew

Andrew Report 12 Feb 2013 22:19

I think at the time, peoplew 'could' marry at 12. Don't quote me.

Her age in 1851/61 suggests older.

Andy

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 12 Feb 2013 22:23

Births Dec 1850 (>99%)
Jenner Phebe Dudley 18 346

igi has a baptism of a phebe d of John & Ellen at St Martin's Tipton Nov 1850

Jacquline

Jacquline Report 12 Feb 2013 22:26

yes in 1851 she was 32 in 61 44 so if either of those is correct the marriage in dudley could be right probly st thomas as that seemed to be the church everyone got married at
thanks andy

Jackie