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Could this be Edward Saunders/Siveter's real fathe or other family r?



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Edward Frederick Siveter
Name: Edward Frederick Siveter.....Equestrian
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Mary Ann White
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Aug 1850
Parish: Battersea St Mary
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: Thomas Siveter ...... Farmer
Spouse Father Name: William White.....cordwainer
Register Type: Parish Register


witnesses Lucy Ambrose
**** Chapman parish clerk



a child from this marriage?


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Frederick Silvaus Siveter
Name: Frederick Silvaus Siveter
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 17 Aug 1851
Father's Name: Frederick Siveter.... Equestrian
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Siveter
Parish or Poor Law Union: Haggerston St Mary
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about William Nelson Dean Siveter
Name: William Nelson Dean Siveter
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 19 Aug 1855
Father's Name: Frederick Siveter... Equestrian
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Siveter
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers



Edward Frederick or just Frederick in 1851 ?


1851 England Census about Fredk Siviter
Name: Fredk Siviter
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Arraminta White
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Birmg

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerstone West
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerstone West
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 114
Piece: 1537
Folio: 127
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
William White 50
Arraminta White 60
Fredk Siviter 30 Equestrian
Mary Ann Siviter 22

Births Sep 1884 Siveter Charlotte Beatrice S London C. 1c 9


Name: Charlotte B S Siveter
Spouse Surname: Toner
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1915
Registration district: Holbron
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 1824


Name: Charlotte Beatrice Silvani Siveter
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Age: 30
Spouse Name: Edward John Toner
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Aug 1915
Parish: Myddelton Square St Mark
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Edward Frederick Siveter Occ. Printer
Spouse Father Name: Bernard Toner Occ. Engineer
Register Type: Parish Register


Witnesses David Anderson Barnet and Charlotte Frances Siveter

Name: Charlotte Frances Siveter
Year: 1913
County or Borough: Islington
Ward or Division/Constituency: Finsbury Central
Street Address: 9 Myddelton street


No Edward there!

Name: Charlotte Beatrice Silvani-siveter
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 14 Sep 1884
Father's Name: Edward Frederick Silvani-siveter Occ. Machine Printer
Mother's Name: Charlotte Frances Silvani-siveter
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Giles without Cripplegate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers


Address looks like 28 Farrier Street.

Of Course not of this is getting us nearer to details of Leslie!

I have to go out now but will look back later.

Hi Rootgatherer & Moodyblue,
Thank you for all your hard work in assisting me in my search, what you have found is all new to me but I am sure that there is something strange about this family.
Bye for now,
Judy

I do believe that this the correct family though connected to Mary Frances Saunders.

They seem to be a family all connected in some way to the entertainment industry.



1911 England Census about Frederick Siviter
Name: Frederick Siviter
Age in 1911: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Westminster St Anne
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 34 Lisle Street, Leicester Square
Occupation: MUSIC HALL ARTIST
Registration district: Westminster
Registration District Number: 6
Sub-registration district: St James and St Anne
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 510
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Siviter 59 music hall artist working with troupe
Frieda Siviter 19 music hall artiste daughter born Germany
Niro Denbroeder 22music hall artist
Monty Antonin 25 Clerk
Fred Irving 20 music hall artist


Frederick married 20 years 1child 1 living


surely Edward Frederick is from this family as father was a contortionist.??

It would be great if we could find Edward Frederick in 1901 or 1911.

He just seems to have diappeared like his father before :-( :-S

I think that he may have changed his name but have looked at as many variations as I can think of and found nothing! My gut reaction was that Leslie was actually his son rather than Mary's but can find nothing!

???

First Name:Leslie

Last Name:Saunders

Name Suffix:

Birth Year:1897

Birth Month:May

Birth Day:19

Year Of Death:1979

Month Of Death:Jul

Place Of Issue:Florida

SSN:267-14-5327

Record set:Social Security Death Index

Category:Vital Records (Birth, Marriage, Death)

Collections from:United States





First Name:Leslie

Last Name:Saunders

Name Suffix:

Birth Year:1897

Birth Month:Nov

Birth Day:7

Year Of Death:1966

Month Of Death:Aug

Place Of Issue:Wisconsin

SSN:395-01-2137

Record set:Social Security Death Index

Category:Vital Records (Birth, Marriage, Death)

Collections from:United States

U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946

This database contains information on about 8.3 million men and women who enlisted in the U.S. Army during World War II. Information contained in this database usually includes: name of enlistee, army serial number, residence (county and state), place of enlistment, enlistment date, grade, army branch, component, term of enlistment, birthplace, year of birth, race and citizenship, height and weight, education, and marital status.

Name: Leslie Saunders
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 May 1897
Death Date: 1 Jul 1979
SSN: 267145327

Rootgatherer & Moody Blue,
Thanks once again for all your kind help in my search for this elusive family.
Kind regards,
Judy

Judy, can you tell us please how you got back to these people?

I always knew that MARY FRANCES CALVERT married JOHN SAUNDERS but I did not know that she was married to EDWARD FREDERICK SIVETER , so I have been looking at the census records, when I found her in the 1911 and she stated that she had been married for 40 years I assumed that she married JOHN SAUNDERS in in 1871, there seems to be many mistakes in dates that have been entered.
Bye for now,
Judy

Edward Frederick Saunders aka Sivester?

Births Sep 1862
SIVESTER Edward Frederick Wilvani Lambeth 1d 283


Perhaps the purchase of this certicate might shed a little light as to who his father really was and to see if Mary Frances Calvert was really the mothers maiden name.

Need something concrete to work with?

I have today sent for that certificate.

Let us know when it comes please Syd - even if only to satisfy our curiosity.


I am still inclined to think that Leslie born in USA may be Mary's grandson and his father Edward Frederick?

I just wish we could find some trace of him after his marriage to Charlotte.

Yes I will, certificates usually take just over a week.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Edward Frederick Silvani Sioetr
Name: Edward Frederick Silvani Sioetr
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Nov 1863
Father's Name: Edward Frederick Silvani Sioetr (Gymnastic Performer)
Mother's Name: Mary Frances Sioetr
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers


Address looks like Stangate ?