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Quinlan family - ~Salford

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HLH

HLH Report 20 Feb 2013 12:47

Tenerife Sun - thanks for that, although the 'possible marriage' of Austin was, in fact, to an Agnes Ellen Norman in 1910.

Re Martin's death, that is correct, as Austin we do know was living at Oldfield Road, Rotherhithe.

I'm still at a loss as to the Jane Quinlan. There is a questionmark as to who she did actually belong to: was she Sarah Bovenizer's daughter, or was she maybe the sister of Sarah's next husband, Martin Quinlan?

Flip

Flip Report 21 Feb 2013 21:21

Jane did not appear with the family in 1891, and her birth would make both parents 18 or under and born Ireland -although they were married in England (as posted earlier). Maybe she never existed in that name - ie she was living with Martin as his "wife" although registered as his daughter. (like his wife was living with someone else at the same time).

Her only appearance seems to be the 1901 census, so really doubt the info registered, unless someone can prove me wrong! :-S

Flip

Flip Report 21 Feb 2013 22:43

And, so why has MC's lnnk to an another thread gone -been deleted? Did you have another thread you've deleted & we're just wasting time here HLH?

HLH

HLH Report 22 Feb 2013 09:47

I am certainly not wasting anyone's time Flip! I had posted a new thread but someone told me to delete it as it may cause confusion with my existing thread!

I can assure you I would not wish to waste anyone's time deliberately!

I am struggling with this side of the family and am relying on any information any of you researchers are kindly doing for me.

Flip

Flip Report 22 Feb 2013 18:09

Sorry HLH, I think I was a bit "prickely" with my last comment, not making any excusees but there are some members on here who post multiple times and get multiple responses to the same question. Sorry if I offended you as I realise you are just trying to track down Jane.

Just wonder if you've considered my post of 21 Feb 21:21 as I just can't see her either before or after the 1901 census, unless you include the Jane, daughter of Thomas Quinaln who was born 1880 in Salford, who appears with her parents in the Regent Road area of Salford.

HLH

HLH Report 22 Feb 2013 19:43

Its OK Flip, we all have 'off' days. This side of the family has really got me stumped:

re your message of the 21st, on the 1901 Census Martin was at Regent Road with the family, including wife Sarah and so I had begun to wonder if Jane could have perhaps been Martin's sister or, as you suggest, a child of one of his siblings (don't know if he had any - not gone back that far, this generaiton isi enough at the mo!). But then Jane would be found on records if she was a Quinlan.

I think her Mum, Sarah, was a 'bit of a one' with the men. She put one of her children in the Workhouse prior to marrying her 3rd husband.

Unless jane was not her proper 'given' name, perhaps? It will be difficult trying to get a BC without knowing for sure the right name.

I guess 'Jane' could have gone back to Ireland or just married someone else and moved anywhere.

Its a problem one this, don't you think?

Flip

Flip Report 23 Feb 2013 17:16

Yes, she's a right problem!

I just feel Martin had moved someone into the place of his errant wife - but i've nothing to back this up apart from she never appeared before the 1901 census, no sign of a child to them by this name and as their ages were rather far apart she may have said she was his "daughter".

Wonder if Lancashire archives has an inquest report on Martin's death - it must have been sudden so subject to an inquest I would think? Have you tried LANCAT (the online catalogue for Lancashire records).

Flip

Flip Report 23 Feb 2013 17:20

Could do with MC here, she appears to have access to 20th century newspapers - I only have access to 19th century so am not finding anything.

HLH

HLH Report 23 Feb 2013 20:31

Flip - thanks for that. Have been out all day so will have a root around the websites tomorrow. Imagination running riot now, thinking did he fall overboard on teh canal or something more sinister perhaps?

will look around for archive reports tomorrow on LANCAT etc.

re MC.. I have been unable to access her previous link for some reason! It would be useful if anyone else does have access to 19th century papers.

Dea

Dea Report 23 Feb 2013 21:16

I will take a look but can't do it till the morning !!

Dea Xxx

HLH

HLH Report 23 Feb 2013 23:07

Thanks Dea

Dea

Dea Report 24 Feb 2013 09:20

Sorry HLH - I have had a good look through the Old Manchester Guardian, the Gazette and a few other newspapers I have access to but I haven't found anything on Martin's death I am afraid.

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 24 Feb 2013 10:18

This would be Martin's burial - you could perhaps check if there are any details on the grave or if anyone related is buried with hinm?


Parish Records Collection burial


Forenames:Martinus
Surname:Quinlan

Birth Date:1861
Marital Status:
Burial Date:17 Apr 1901
Burial Year:1901
Age:40 years
Sex:

Burial Place:Runcorn, St Edward's Catholic Church, Runcorn

Date of Death:13 Apr 1901

Father's Forename:
Father's Surname:
Mother's Forenames:
Mother's Surname:

Residence: Manchester

Spouse's Forenames:
Spouse's Surname:

Parish:Runcorn, St Edward's Catholic Church

City or Town:Runcorn
County:Cheshire
Record source:Non-Conformist & Roman Catholic Burials 17th century-1910

Data provider:Cheshire Archives and Local Studies


Dea x

Flip

Flip Report 24 Feb 2013 11:20

I wonder, Jane could not have been born Quinlan - they married after her birth and in England. If she was really Bovenizer I think this may be her marriage:

Janie Bovenizer
Birth Year: abt 1881
Age: 25
Marriage Date: 13 Jun 1906
Parish: Salford, Stowell
Parish as it Appears: Stowell Memorial, Salford
Father's Name: William Bovenizer (deceased soldier)
Spouse's Name: Joseph Alexander
Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph Alexander
Reference Number: L73/1/2/5
Item Number: 4
Archive Roll: 917

Both of 9 King William Street, one witness was Annie Aspey but I can't make out the other witness name.

Flip

Flip Report 24 Feb 2013 11:55

A possible?

William Bovenizer
Date of Registration: 1875
Registration district: Limerick
Volume: 15
Page Number: 227
FHL Film Number: 101252
Married one of these:
Amelia Mary Jervoise
Sarah Fahey <<
William Bovenizer
Catherine Nealon
Henrietta Jane Wagenstreiber
Albert Burgess
Michael Charles Christopher Burke
Charles Forde

William Bovenizer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1879
Death Age: 24
Registration district: Limerick
Death Country: Ireland
Volume: 5
Page: 361
FHL Film Number: 101589

Jane Bovenizer
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1881
Registration district: Kilrush
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 4
Page: 339
FHL Film Number: 101058

Flip

Flip Report 24 Feb 2013 12:08

If the marriage is correct, this looks like her death - which would explain why I haven't manager to find her in 1911.

Janey Alexander
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1908
Age at Death: 28
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 19 (click to see others on page)

HLH

HLH Report 24 Feb 2013 13:50

Dea - thanks for burial details. will see if there's any research I can do for the cemetery. Also thanksk for looking at the papers. I'm going to have a scout around this afternoon on the archives site to see if there's antyhing on there.

Flip - thanks for info re Jane. That does all seem to fit in I think. I've just checked the 1901 census to see if there's anything for King William Street but guess they all moved around pretty smartish in those days so could have been living anywhere in the few years before marriage.

Sad she only lived a couple of years thereafter. I've had a look to see if I can identify any children they may have had - but no luck. Its difficult when the mmn wasn't put on records until 1912.

Sarah Bovenizer's previous name was definitely Fahey - I've seen teh MC for her marriage to Martin Quinlan. Sarah's father name on that was John.

Thanks again.

I'll definitely post on here if I find anything about the demise of Martin Quinlan on the waterways!

Flip

Flip Report 24 Feb 2013 14:01

Have you noticed - Jane Bovenizer was born nearly 2 years after William's death? ;-)

So, either a very long pregnancy or maybe Martin Quinlan actually was her father - he must have moved between England/Ireland and was a serving navy office in 1881. If you google the ship Leinster you'll find it was owned by the Steam Packet Company (got sunk off Dublin during WW1). Possibly the reason Sarah came to England was to be with him - though I still haven't found Jane in 1891 - maybe left with family in Ireland, just a shame they pulped the census records!

HLH

HLH Report 24 Feb 2013 14:31

Well spotted! why didn't I realise that. On her MC her status was widow, but until you posted his name earlier, I didn't know who she had been married to.

I had started to research the Leinster earlier, just looking for clues as to Martin's death. will research the Lancs archive site later on.

Sarah must have been a bit of a floozy, as she wasn't on the 1901 Census with the family in Salford and then poor old Martin died the same year. She must have been well ensconsed with Mr Laverack by then!

Flip

Flip Report 24 Feb 2013 14:58

I've already looked on LANCAT and there's nothing on him I'm afraid. Maybe you could try to find his military record on National Archives - although nothing is springing up on a general search.

Or, then again, thinking about it, his death place was Runcorn which is in Cheshire - so maybe try their archives as an inquest will not have been held in Lancashire. Hadn't thought about that earlier.

Shame the Co Clare parish records are not available on-line, you can only access them by using their researchers - no doubt at a cost.

And yes, she sounds a bit of a card, wonder if her and William Bovenizer had other children - it seems rather a long time married (1875-9) for them not to have had any. But with the parish records not available it is difficult to check for other births.

How did you come by the name Fahey for Sarah - surely it wasn't on her marriage certificate - was it on one of the children's birth certificates?