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Alexander Brown Lawrence 1879

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Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 19 Feb 2013 13:43

Hello, looking for a marriage for Alexander Lawrence to a Clara Dudley around 1908, London area. They had a daughter Lily I lawrence born 1909. I did trace a 1911 census where it lists Alexander as aged 32 Operative Baker born in Dundee Forfar. Then again on the 1901 census with mother Helen and brother William ( a baker)living in Dundee at this time...I cant seem to find a marriage which I asume was in London as I cant find one her in Scotland and Clara was born London according to 1911 census, nor can I find a birth for Lily in 1909.

.Can any one help :-S

Reggie

Reggie Report 19 Feb 2013 13:46

If the marriage isn't on freebmd, it didn't take place in England/Wales

If the daughter was born in Scotland, her birth cert should record the details of her parents' marriage

Which 1911 census are your referring to?

Where was LILY supposedly born?

How do you know Clara's maiden name?

You need to clarify things a bit............

alviegal

alviegal Report 19 Feb 2013 13:47

For ref.

1911 census transcription details for: 18 Osterley Road Stoke Newington
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN1016 RG78PN34 RD11 SD1 ED12 SN533
Reg. District: Hackney
Sub District: Stoke Newington
Parish: Stoke Newington
Enum. District: 12
Address: 18 Osterley Road Stoke Newington
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
LAWRENCE, Alexander Head Married M 32 1879 Operative Baker Torfar Dundee N B
DUDLEY, Clara Wife Married
3 years F 29 1882 Housekeeper London W E
LAWRENCE, Lily Daughter F 2 1909 London Stoke Newington

Reggie

Reggie Report 19 Feb 2013 13:48

That makes things clearer..............thanks

Reggie

Reggie Report 19 Feb 2013 13:54

Why couldn't you find Lily's birth?

it's on freebmd


Births Mar 1909 (>99%)
Lawrence Lily Ivy Hackney 1b 380

alviegal

alviegal Report 19 Feb 2013 13:54

You're welcome Reggie. Don't know why her name would still be Dudley when she was married though.

Reggie

Reggie Report 19 Feb 2013 13:58

I don't see why Alexander recorded his 'wife' under a surname other than his own.

Unlikely that they ever married, I would have thought

EDIT

Didn't see your post.......saying more-or-less the same thing!

alviegal

alviegal Report 19 Feb 2013 14:03

Here is his servive records. Will write out what it says about his family.


British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about Alexander Lawrence
Name: Alexander Lawrence
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Age at enlistment: 37
Residence: 40 Catherine Street, Dundee
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 302729
Regiment Name: Army Service Corps (MT)
Number of images: 7


EDIT He is married to Clara Emily Dudley or Lawrence, spinster. Marriage was on the 25th Dec 1917 in Walthomstow.

Lily Ivy was born 28th Feb 1909 and son, James was born 2nd Dec 1915 in Poplar.


So they weren't actually married in 1911!

safc

safc Report 19 Feb 2013 14:03

Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%)
DUDLEY Clara W.Ham 4a 412
LAWRENCE Alec W. Ham 4a 412

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 19 Feb 2013 14:06

Scottish wifes are quite often shown on census by their maiden name but a bit surprised to see one on an English census shown that way

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 19 Feb 2013 14:08

Thanks guys :-D

alviegal

alviegal Report 19 Feb 2013 14:11

Okay, having seen safc's marriage record, I will need to amend the marriage to 1907. Does look like 1917 though. But the form was verified on 23rd April 1917 so would not be possible to have been married at the end of the year.

Apologies for that.

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 19 Feb 2013 14:11

There are 2 marriage dates 1907 and 1917, are these 2 different couples..Duh!
:-0

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 19 Feb 2013 14:12

Says on the 1911 England census they were married 3 years.
:-(

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 19 Feb 2013 14:13

Ok alviegal just seen your post, I will go with the 1907 marriage
;-)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 19 Feb 2013 14:14

If you take a closer look at that Army record.......

Under where it is written marriage 25/12/17........it reads 1907 St Saviousr Church.

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 19 Feb 2013 14:18

Mmm what does that mean..Not sure this is him tho as hes in london in 1911??
:-(

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 19 Feb 2013 14:20

Clara and children living at........40 Catherine Street Dundee.

Height 5ft 8 half inches
Girth 37 inches when expanded........Scar on chest and back....Tattoo mark both hands......Scar on left shoulder result of poultice burns.


Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 19 Feb 2013 14:23

Eh!!! where you seeing this Prickly Holly
:-0

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 19 Feb 2013 14:25

There are 7 images to that record.