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Ishmael Doughty emigrated to Oz mid 1850's

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Trudy

Trudy Report 22 Feb 2013 09:30

Thanks again, bless you.

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 22 Feb 2013 08:15

Yes, Australian death certs are generally very detailed (esp later ones)

The link for ordering is here
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

You need to pay online and then you get a link to a pdf of the certificate :-)

Hope is is him!

Trudy

Trudy Report 22 Feb 2013 07:52

Thanks for that information Cherilyn, is it the practise for Australian death certificates to list marriages and children? Also can you tell me where I would be able to obtain an uncertified image ? Thanks again :-)

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 22 Feb 2013 01:46

PS Ishmael's marriage to Margaret was as DICKIE in the index not McFARLANE.

I think perhaps you need to get his death certificate, wchih should list any and all marriages and children. You can get an uncertified image of the certificate relatively cheaply :-)

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 22 Feb 2013 01:39

Death for Margaret DUKIE in 1888, daughter of John & Anne McFARLANE in Dunkeld (reg 13194).

???

The Peter DICKIE that MC found died in 1862 aged 43, b. Ayrshire. I think the Margaret above is 'DUKIE' as mispelling/mistranscription of 'DICKIE, not 'DOUGHTY'...confusing...

No death for Adam DICKIE or variant in Vic in 1855. No marriage in SA or Vic to Jane.

Trudy

Trudy Report 21 Feb 2013 13:34

Thanks Beverley, you obviously had an earliy start this morning

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 21 Feb 2013 07:49

groom's name: Adam Dickie
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Margaret Mcfarlane
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 16 Apr 1843
marriage place: Muckhart,Perth,Scotland
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:


And they obviously emigrated after 1851, here they are in Alva, Stirlingshire:

Piece: SCT1851/470 Place: Alva -Stirlingshire Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Alva Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Alva
Folio: 0 Page: 63 Schedule: 254
Address: Crofts

DICKIE Adam Head M M 30 Carter Clackmannanshire - Clackmannan
DICKIE Margaret Wife M F 33 Perth - Dunning
DICKIE Robert Son - M 7 Scholar Perth - Blairingone
DICKIE John Son - M 5 Scholar Clackmannanshire - Dollar
DICKIE Anne Dau - F 1 Clackmannanshire - Alloa

Trudy

Trudy Report 21 Feb 2013 00:01

Wow you two have been busy, thank you both so much for all the time and effort you have put into this . I will study all your details tomorrow , I had an early start looking after my 3 year old grand daughter today so eyes struggling to stay awake !

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Feb 2013 22:48

Well spotted Beverley.

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923

Name: Margaret Dickie
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Age: 33
Arrival Date: 20 Mar 1854
Arrival Port: Melbourne and Victoria, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Persia
Nationality: Scottish

Hmm, this one arrived with a Peter (1819) and Janet, Matthew, Hugh and Elizabeth

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 20 Feb 2013 22:23

Well yes there is a tree on Ancestry which has Margaret dying in 1888 at Dunkeld, Victoria, and Ishmael remarrying a Jane (surname and date not known).

The same tree shows Margaret McFarlane born in Perthshire in 1818 :-S and marring an Adam Dickie in Perthshire with whom she emigrated and had 5 children before he died in Victoria in 1855.

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 20 Feb 2013 22:10

A guess, that Margaret died and Ishmael remarried to Jane.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Feb 2013 20:25

Trudy, this is the death of that Jane Doughty:

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Jane Doughty
Death Place: Stawell, Victoria
Age: 80
Father's Name: Cave Jno
Mother's Name: Maria Keet
Registration Year: 1908
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 3954
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828

No Dickies or MacFarlanes :-(

Might just be a coincidence but it is quite an unusual name.

Trudy

Trudy Report 20 Feb 2013 20:12

Thanks, Beverley, will take a look at those sites
Thanks to you MarieCeleste, will also take a look at that, maybe rootgatherer the Mrs Jane Doughty who died in 1908 was also known as Margaret. I'll see what births I can find West Mosley abt 1828 with a surname Dickie or Macfarlane.
Thank you all so much, a bit more detail to add to my tree !
Ishmael was the brother of my gg grandmother.

:-)

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 20 Feb 2013 19:33

Not seeing any children born to them in Australia.

Not seeins Margaret's death or a re-marriage for her.



MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Feb 2013 19:31

Found this on Trove, but it's a different wife's name:

Another of the early pioneers of the Stawell district has joined the great majority in the person of Mrs. Jane Doughty, relict of the late Ishmael Doughty. Deceased, who was born at West Mosley, Surrey, England, was 80 years of age.

The Horsham Times (Vic. : 1882 - 1954) Friday 28 February 1908)

There was also a mention of Ishmael Doughty in South Australian Register Adelaide, SA : 1839 - 1900) Monday 8 September 1856. They were advertising for the recipients of unclaimed letters at the post office.

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 20 Feb 2013 19:23

http://www.theshipslist.com/ for passenger lists, also www.ozships.net.

Trudy

Trudy Report 20 Feb 2013 19:23

Yes I would agree with that rootgatherer
Thanks

Trudy

Trudy Report 20 Feb 2013 19:21

Thank you rootgatherer, that confirmes that's my man by the correct parents names, apprecaite your help.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 20 Feb 2013 19:20

Name: Ishamel Doughty
Spouse Name: Margaret Macfarlane
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1859
Registration number: 194r


Same year and reg. no as above so perhaps Margaret was a widow?

Trudy

Trudy Report 20 Feb 2013 19:18

Thank you so much Beverley, and so quick too ! Definately the chap I am looking for. Where did you find this information ?