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Ashley
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22 Feb 2013 19:20 |
I've been looking back at my 2xG Grandfather James Haworth who I know to have been born around 1846 in Holcombe, Bury, Lancashire. I have found the record of his marriage to Sarah Ann Nuttall on 1st August 1867 and the entry states his father to be (also) James Haworth, farmer. Using the parish clerks register on line I looked for a possible baptism for James (jr) in Holcombe around 1846. I've found a record and it could be a match but can I really be certain? Baptism: 29 July 1849, Emmanuel, Holcombe, Lancs James Haworth son of James Haworth and Matty, Abode: Pike Hill Slacks Occ: Farmer Register: bishops transcript 1835-1853, page 224, entry 1785.
I was also able to find siblings for the above mentioned James. My doubt is that there is quite an age difference between when he was supposedly born (his age on marriage in 1867 was 22), and when he was baptised. He would have been 2 or perhaps 3 years old.
So my question is... what is the best way to be as certain as possible that my relation was the son of James and Matty. If he was of course, I would then be able to follow census records for them and open up another branch, but I'm not 100% sure.
Any advice from more knowledgeable members would be most welcome. Ashley
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Gee
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22 Feb 2013 19:52 |
Try and find the birth reg for him and buy the certificate
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi?county=lancashire
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Porkie_Pie
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22 Feb 2013 19:56 |
The best way to be 100% sure is to buy the birth cert for jnr
2 or 3 years old for baptism is not out of the way,
often baptisms where done as soon after birth when the child was ill and if they thought the child would not survive which is why so many where done close to the dob
Roy
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Ashley
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22 Feb 2013 20:12 |
thanks
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ErikaH
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22 Feb 2013 23:38 |
Look for the whole family..............follow them through the censuses.
Baptism: 16 Apr 1843 Emmanuel, Holcombe, Lancashire, England Alice Haworth - Daughter of James Haworth & Matty Abode: Pikehill Slack Occupation: Farmer Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1852 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 141, Entry 1127 Source: LDS Film 1545476
Baptism: 4 May 1845 Emmanuel, Holcombe, Lancashire, England John Haworth - Son of James Haworth & Matty Abode: Pike Hill Slacks Occupation: Farmer Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1852 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 170, Entry 1355 Source: LDS Film 1545476
Baptism: 7 Apr 1847 Emmanuel, Holcombe, Lancashire, England Mary Haworth - Daughter of James Haworth & Matty Abode: Pike hill Slackey Edenfield Occupation: Farmer Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1852 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 195, Entry 1554 Source: LDS Film 1545476
Baptism: 29 Jul 1849 Emmanuel, Holcombe, Lancashire, England James Haworth - Son of James Haworth & Matty Abode: Pike Hill Slacks Occupation: Farmer Register: Baptisms 1835 - 1852 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 224, Entry 1785 Source: LDS Film 1545476
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GlasgowLass
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22 Feb 2013 23:49 |
One yr old on the 1851 census at Pickle Slacks and his mother is widowed Name: Matty Haworth Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Relation: Head Gender: F (Female) Where born: Bury, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Tottington Higher End County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: Registration district: Haslingden Sub-registration district: Rossendale ED, institution, or vessel: 1a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 16 Piece: 2249 Folio: 325 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Matty Haworth 32 Alice Haworth 8 John Haworth 6 Mary Haworth 4 James Haworth 1
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ErikaH
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22 Feb 2013 23:49 |
How do you 'know' where he was born?
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ErikaH
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22 Feb 2013 23:53 |
Marriage: 1 Aug 1867 St Bartholomew, Salford, Lancashire, England James Howarth - 22, Weaver, Bachelor, Carr St Ramsbottom Sarah Ann Nuttall - 22, Cotton Weaver, Spinster, Derwent St Salford Groom's Father: James Howarth, Farmer Bride's Father: Robert Nuttall, Engineer Witness: Edmund Nuttall; Eliza Yates Married by Certificate by: H J Meres Register: Marriages 1846 - 1869, Page 202, Entry 403 Source: LDS Film 1786463
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ErikaH
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22 Feb 2013 23:58 |
1881 England Census about James Howarth Name: James Howarth Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah A. Howarth Gender: Male Where born: Holcombe, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 256 & 258 Ordsall Lane Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Beer Retailer Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Regent Road ED, institution, or vessel: 65 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3974 Folio: 22 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age James Howarth 35 Sarah A. Howarth 35 born Liverpool William Howarth 8 Betty Howarth 14
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ErikaH
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23 Feb 2013 00:08 |
This looks like the one born 1849
1891 England Census Name: James Haworth Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Theresa Haworth Gender: Male Where born: Edenfield, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Haslingden Ecclesiastical parish: Musbury County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Registration district: Haslingden Sub-registration district: Haslingden ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3354 Folio: 145 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age James Haworth 41 Theresa Haworth 26 Martha A Haworth 1 Ellen Haworth 11/12 Helen A Schofield 47 Mother in Law
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mgnv
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23 Feb 2013 04:42 |
Although this page is at Ancestry, I couldn't find it at FMP:
1861 Census Piece: RG9/2852 Place: Elton -Lancashire Enumeration District: 1 Civil Parish: Elton Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints Folio: 27 Page: 47 Schedule: 229 Address: 4 Fourth Street Daisey Field -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks NUTTALL Robert Head M M 38 Engine Tenter Lancashire - Golinder NUTTALL Helen Wife M F 37 Lancashire - Haslingden NUTTALL Sarah Ann Dau - F 15 Cotton Weaver Lancashire - Walmsley NUTTALL Elizabeth Dau - F 13 Throstle Spinner Lancashire - Walmsley NUTTALL Alfred Thomas Son - M 6m Lancashire - Elton PORTER Mary Lodger W F 50 Cotton Reeler Lancashire - Heywood PORTER William Son - M 8 Scholar Lancashire - Bury
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1843 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference NUTTALL Robert MAIDEN Ellen Rochdale, St Chad Rochdale CE11/7/287 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXLV-BL2 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NKKG-1MQ
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference 1844 NUTTALL Mary Ann Bury North Bury MAIDEN BN/6/85 1845 NUTTALL Sarah Ann Bury North Bury MAIDEN BN/8/7 1847 NUTTALL Elizabeth Bury North Bury MAIDEN BN/10/40 1860 NUTTALL Alfred Elton Bury MAIDEN ELT/14/90 1863 NUTTALL Mary Ellen Elton Bury MAIDEN ELT/16/96
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23 Feb 2013 05:19 |
Could this be your James, age is better and father is a farmer;
James Haworth Birth Date: 28 Apr 1845 Baptism Date: 9 Jun 1845 Parish: Haslingden Father: James Haworth Mother: Anne Haworth Reference Number: Pr 3016 1/16
James Haworth Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Son Father's Name: James Haworth Mother's name: Ann Haworth Gender: Male Where born: Bury, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Tottington Lower End County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Bury Sub-registration district: Holcombe <<<<<<< ED, institution, or vessel: 5a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 247 Piece: 2837 Folio: 136 Page Number: 40 Household Members: Name Age James Haworth 50 (farmer) Ann Haworth 46 Ann Haworth 22 Alice Haworth 20 Martha Haworth 18 James Haworth 16 Joseph Livsey 50 Ann Haworth Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: James Haworth Gender: F (Female) Where born: Haslingden, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Tottington Lower End Ecclesiastical parish: Holcombe County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: Bury Sub-registration district: Holcombe ED, institution, or vessel: 2e Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 107 Piece: 2212 Folio: 133 Page Number: 26 Household Members: Name Age James Haworth 41 Ann Haworth 36 Ann Haworth 13 Alice Haworth 12 Martha Haworth 9 James Haworth 6
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Ashley
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23 Feb 2013 09:59 |
Hi Thanks to everyone for all their look-ups, help and suggestions. I will work my way through the information and hopefully be able to unravel the relationships. Many thanks again Ashley
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