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Well, I just pointed it out Ruth because it does happen a lot, maybe people thought it put a bit of glamour in their family?

When my cousins and I were talking to aunty about g-grandfather she said all the records were wrong because of course she knew her own grandfather (she was 4 when he died) and "he had a funny accent" - well we're geordies and he was from London so he would have sounded funny to her!

I'm starting to wonder if you are right about that Marie as nothing I have found so far or have in family bibles / letters suggests Anne was french.

I also can't find any clues to suggest she might be and am wondering is it just because of the french sounding name which from doing searches therea re many varients of it in the UK ging back years.

1841

RG number: HO107
Piece: 653
Book/Folio: 3/25
Page: 2
Reg. District: Edmonton
Sub District: Enfield
Parish: Enfield
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Windmill Hill, Enfield
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
SEAL, William M 40 1801 Middlesex
SEAL, Esther F 38 1803 Middlesex
SEAL, William M 18 1823 Middlesex
SEAL, Harriett F 13 1828 Middlesex
SEAL, John M 10 1831 Middlesex
>>>>>SEAL, Maria F 7 1834 Middlesex
SEAL, James M 8 1833 Middlesex
SEAL, Alfred M 6 1835 Middlesex
>>>>>SEAL, Ann F 4 1837 Middlesex
SEAL, Thomas M 0 (6 months) 1841 Middlesex



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Maria Seal
Spouse Name: Charles Donaldson Church
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Dec 1858
Parish: St Mary Stratford Bow
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Seal
Spouse Father Name: Donaldson Church
Register Type: Parish Register

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Mary Stratford Bow, Register of marriages, P88/MRY1, Item 020.


Maria Seal was a witness at her sister's wedding.

Witnesses to Maria's wedding are -

Ann Verdon and John Duncum

Possibly a bit old:

London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980

Name: Ann Verdon
Record Type: Death
Estimated Death Date: 1890
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St George in the East Union
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register

Died 25 December aged 64.

For place of burial it just says "ELC"

Just a thought about the French connection - my family were adamant that my ggrandfather was French, they claimed to know what part of France he was from. He did have a very French sounding surname (Daubeney) but I've traced the family back (100% verified) and they were from Stratford, London. Perhaps centuries before they may have come from France (haven't got that far yet) but there were Daubeneys in London for a long time. My elderly aunt still refuses to believe the proof - "she knows what she knows".

thats a big clue to look into!
why on earth didn't I check the whole page for Edward's location in 1861....
I'm normally pretty good at that to check for potential relatives.

1861 Bromley Bow Middlesex D12 > 2
Emma rogers 1837 Fenny compton
Rhoda rogers 1855 fenny copmton
Edward Chater 1836 Labourer lodger born Fenny compton

1858 Ann seal married John james Verdon he was born 1833 Edmonton
Ann seal born 1834 Enfield middlesex.

1861 Bromley Bow D24 . 46
John James Verdon 1833 a marriner
Anne Verdon 1835
John William Verdon born 1860 in Poplar died 1866.
On same page is parents of Ann
William Seal 1800
Esther 1802.

I can't find John James Verdon or Anne Verdon in 1871

Could there be a connection???

Maryb.

Annie's name has been confirmed by a few things.

Her son who died at the age of 2 was baptised Edward Verdon Chater.

But th real confirmation came from Emma's birth certificate which does state Annie Verdon as the mother.

I have come across lots of varients of Verdon such as Verden, Verdin and Verdun but not been able to find anything using these versions either,

Annie was either french or had french parents.
Maybe she was born in france which is why hard to find her?

Just reading this from a different angle - how was Annie's surname known? Is it from family history, is it from actual birth certificates or is it taken from the children's middle names?

Had a look in the newspaper archives and there are numerous reviews in the 1880s of an Annie Verdon who was a serio-comic singer. Could be a complete coincidence with the name, there's no indication of age although an article from 1878 describes her as playing an old lady.

thats interesting!
How you all find these things I have no idea as I oked on ancestry at the local library yesterday and found very little new.

I will see what I can find out about each of those Combers.

This looks like Louisa with her parents in 1861

Name: Louisa Taylor
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Taylor
Mother's name: Elizabeth Taylor
Gender: Female
Where born: Lingfield, Surrey, England

Civil parish: East Grinstead
Town: East Grinstead
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: East Grinstead
Sub-registration district: East Grinstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 144
Piece: 579
Folio: 16
Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
James Taylor 59
Elizabeth Taylor 56
Charles Taylor 17
Louisa Taylor 15
Maria Taylor 20



There are Combers on the same page.

Name: William Comber
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Comber
Gender: Male
Where born: East Grinstead, Sussex, England

Civil parish: East Grinstead
Town: East Grinstead
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: East Grinstead
Sub-registration district: East Grinstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 142
Piece: 579
Folio: 16
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
William Comber 42
Elizabeth Comber 40
Charles Comber 12
Emily Comber 9
George Comber 7
Eliza Comber 2
Thomas Ellis 46



Perhaps she married one of the sons of that family?

The 1888 marriage - I wonder if they re-married because one of them was not actually free to marry in 1882? Same fathers as the 1882 marraige although both are now deceased.


Name: Louisa Comber WIDOW
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Age: 42
Spouse Name: Edward Chater (Bachelor), Labourer
Spouse Age: 54
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Aug 1888
Parish: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: James Taylor
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Chater
Register Type: Parish Register

Address for both just given as Bethnal Green.

Witnesses W. H. Smith and Annie Watson

This time both signed the register

Name: Edward Chater (Bachelor), Labourer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Age: 47
Spouse Name: Louisa Taylor (Spinster), No occupation given
Spouse Age: 35
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Jan 1882
Parish: Poplar Christ Church
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Thomas Chater, Blacksmith
Spouse Father Name: James Taylor, Labourer
Register Type: Parish Register


Address for both 12 Barque(?) Street

Witnesses Matthew Neal and Ann Maria Williamson.

Louisa signed and Edward made his mark

yes, its really great.

I'm having a look at varients of Comber, mayber Coomer, Coomber etc so hopefully will find something.

Well, you've been given the marriage info now!

As for Louisa......there is no record of a marriage to Comber

Annie lived with Edward in 4 Peabody Place, Lion St, Poplar according to the baptism records for child Edward (died aged 2) and daughter Annie Sarah.

I can't find anything for 1871 for Annie, Edward and children Emma and Annie Sarah. Nor can I find anything for Louise or her then husband Mr Comber.

Edward re married after Louises death but I didn't really have much info on that but that daughter Annie did not approve. She was devasted over Louises death.
The above possible record for 1871 and the one for Annie look interesting.

Name: Sarah Ann Wilkinson (Widow)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Age: 57
Spouse Name: Edward Chater (Widower. Labourer)
Spouse Age: 65
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Dec 1899
Parish: Poplar All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: George Skelter (Game Keeper?)
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Chater (Blacksmith)
Register Type: Parish Register
(address, 30, Kirbey Street (him) 34, Tablett? Street (her)

Chris :)

(address as 1901)

????

Marriages Sep 1861 (>99%)
Butler Joseph Leominster 6a 856
VERDON George Levinous Leominster 6a 856
Weaver Susan Leominster 6a 856
WOOD Annie Leominster 6a 856

The one posted above for 1871 says she is married, and a needlewoman

????

Name: Ann Verdon
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 43
Relationship to Head of Household: Inmate
Birthplace: Yorkshire
Schedule Type: Institution
Registration District: St George In The East
Sub-District: St John
Parish: St George, East
County: London, Middlesex

You can find out when Louisa died by using freebmd.

Does the possible marriage to Sarah precede that date? Or follow it?

The cert would confirm whether or not it is for the Edward you are researching, as would the 1901 census

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Person: CHATERS, Edward Address: 30, Kirbey Street, Poplar

CHATERS, Edward Head Married M 68 1833 Bricklayers Lab
Fenny Comney, Warwickshire VIEW
CHATERS, Sarah Wife Married F 58 1843
Welton, Norfolk VIEW Piece: 352 Folio: 42 Page: 34 Registration District: Poplar Civil Parish: Poplar Municipal Borough: Address: 30, Kirbey Street, Poplar County: London