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JAMES AND SARAH BAKER RICHMOND SURREY

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Susanne

Susanne Report 28 Mar 2013 04:31

I have tried finding about on Family search to nothing there. I was interested in finding if i could on parents of james Baker and Sarah Lewis. James and maria her maiden name and marriage. Thomas Lewis i think and his wife Margaret? they lived in Westminster area. thomas and wife born around 1794. i found 1841 census of James and Maria born around 1810 with James and his sister Jane, I wondered also idf there was any information on 1851 census.
Thank you to all you lovely folk who do look ups voluntary for us.
Sue

jansmith

jansmith Report 19 Mar 2013 08:08

1901

Name:
Jane Baker
Age:41
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1860
Relation:Lodger
Where born:Richmond, Surrey, England
Civil parish:Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish:St John the Divine
County/Island:Surrey

jansmith

jansmith Report 19 Mar 2013 08:01

1891 ? Jane

Name:Jane Baker
Age:30
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1861
Relation:Boarder
Where born:Richmond, Surrey, England
Civil parish:Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish:St John and St Mary
County/Island:Surrey

jansmith

jansmith Report 19 Mar 2013 07:56

1881 ?Jane
Name:Jane Baker
Age:21
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1860
Relation:Servant
Where born:Richmond, Surrey, England
Civil parish:Richmond
County/Island:Surrey
Country:England
Street Address:Ashley Rd 18 Evelyn Ter
Occupation:Genl Dom Servt
Registration district:Richmond

jansmith

jansmith Report 19 Mar 2013 07:48

?1881
Name:Alice A. Baker
Age:18
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1863
Relation:Servant
Where born:Richmond, Surrey, England
Civil parish:Richmond
County/Island:Surrey
Street Address:2 Montague Road
Occupation:General Servt
Registration district:Richmond
Sub-registration district:Richmond

Astra

Astra Report 19 Mar 2013 06:29

There is a possibility that Jane died without marrying.

Deaths Mar 1904 (>99%)
Baker Jane Maria 44 Brentford 3a 98

Susanne

Susanne Report 19 Mar 2013 04:45

I have looked at Free BMd on the Balker Family there is names the same and i cant sort out which Partner they married. Could i have help on finding a bit on the rest of the children if they married ETC.
Family on 1871 census and age
Jame M 12, SArah 11, Alice M, 8, JamesT 7, william 5, Henry 3, Arthur, May.
We know about Frederick and Alfred. Alfred was born in Brentford Middlesex parents James and Margaret.Baker.
Thamk you.
Sue

Susanne

Susanne Report 16 Mar 2013 21:48

Pricklyholly thank you for your additional help on Frederick Baker, we know aAlfred moved to Midlands. More Children than I thought Jane M, Sarah, AliceA, James T, William, Henry, Alfred, arthur, Frederick, .I will have a lok on FreeBMD and se if i can find any marriages.
Sue

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 15 Mar 2013 15:30

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
about Frederick Baker
Name: Frederick Baker
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Age at enlistment: 39
Residence: 17 Evelyn Terrace, Kewfoot Rd Richmond
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 195167
Regiment Name: Inland Water Transport C?? Royal Engineers
Trade: Postman
Married Elizabeth Selina Worley....25th Oct 1904
Children: Frederick Arthur..Feb 16th 1906
...............Kathleen Eleanor....Apr 6th 1912


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 15 Mar 2013 15:10

Ah, she married under the name of Elizabeth Selina.......

Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
Baker Frederick Richmond, S. 2a 923
Worley Elizabeth Selina Richmond, S. 2a 923

jansmith

jansmith Report 15 Mar 2013 15:06

confirm from army records Frederick married Selina Worley in Richmond on 25th Oct 1904 (army records recorded as Elizabeth Selina)
2 children Frederick Arthur 16th Feb 1906 Kathleen Eleanor 6th Apl 1912

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 15 Mar 2013 11:40

No marriage found but possibly.........

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Selina Elizabeth Worley
Name: Selina Elizabeth Worley
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1880
Registration district: Richmond
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 369



England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Selina Elizabeth Worley
Name: Selina Elizabeth Worley
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 7 Jan 1880
Christening Date: 7 Mar 1880
Christening Place: Mortlake, Surrey, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: Charles Worley
Mother's name: Selina

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 15 Mar 2013 11:20

Hi Susanne

All you need to do is google "Lighterman" and you will find lots of info regarding this occupation.

I am struggling to find the above children after the 1881/1891 census.

Here is the FMP versin of the 1911 census posted for Frederick......

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: BAKER, Selina Elizabeth
Address: 17 Evelyn Terrace Kew Foot Road Richmond Surrey


BAKER, Frederick Head Married M 35 1876 Postman Richmond Surrey VIEW
BAKER, Selina Elizabeth Wife Married 6 years F 31 1880 Richmond Surrey VIEW
BAKER, Frederick Arthur Son Single M 5 1906 Richmond Surrey VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 3590
Reference: RG14PN3590 RG78PN135 RD41 SD1 ED10 SN39
Registration District: Richmond
Sub District: Richmond
Enumeration District: 10
Parish: Richmond
Address: 17 Evelyn Terrace Kew Foot Road Richmond Surrey
County: Surrey
(1 child born and living)

I can't find this Frederick in the 1901 census and i can't see a marriage for a Frederick Baker to a Selina Elizabeth!!

Edit: Just found Frederick with his Mother in the 1901 census......

1901 England Census
about Sarah J Baker
Name: Sarah J Baker
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil parish: Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Divine
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51
Piece: 676
Folio: 135
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah J Baker 67
Frederick Baker 24 (Town Postman)>>>>Same occupation as the 1911.
Sarah Baker 4 (Grandchild) Born Clapham L
Edward Hosier 30 (Boarder)



Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Baker Kathleen E Worley Richmond S. 2a 976

Births Dec 1920 (>99%)
Baker Wilfred E Worley Richmond, S. 2a 933








Susanne

Susanne Report 15 Mar 2013 11:00

Many thanks to Astra, Jan, and Prickly Holly for such great help on this family. They had a lot of children, What would a lighterman do in those early days?
Sue

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 15 Mar 2013 09:54

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about William Baker
Name: William Baker
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 21 Apr 1866
Christening Date: 2 Sep 1866
Christening Place: Richmond, Surrey, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: James Baker
Mother's name: Sarah Jane


England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Henry Baker
Name: Henry Baker
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 28 Jan 1868
Christening Date: 2 Aug 1868
Christening Place: Richmond, Surrey, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: James Baker
Mother's name: Sarah Jane


England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Elizabeth Mary Baker
Name: Elizabeth Mary Baker
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 15 Dec 1871
Christening Date: 12 Oct 1872
Christening Place: Richmond, Surrey, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: James Baker
Mother's name: Sarah Jane





jansmith

jansmith Report 15 Mar 2013 09:20

1911 could this be Frederick?

Frederick Baker
Age in 1911:
35
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1876
Relation to Head:
Head
Gender:
Male
Birth Place:
Richmond, Surrey, England
Civil parish:
Richmond
County/Island:
Surrey
Country:
England
Street Address:
17 Evelyn Terrace, Kew Foot Rd Richmond, Surrey
postman


Name:
Selina Elizabeth Baker
Age in 1911:
31
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1880
Relation to Head:
Wife
Gender:
Female
Birth Place:
Richmond, Surrey, England
Civil parish:
Richmond
County/Island:
Surrey
married 6 years


Name:
Frederick Arthur Baker

Age in 1911:
5
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1906
Relation to Head:
Son
Gender:
Male
Birth Place:
Richmond, Surrey, England

jansmith

jansmith Report 15 Mar 2013 09:02

death

Name:
Sarah Jane Baker
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1836
Date of Registration:
Jul-Aug-Sep 1902
Age at Death:
66
Registration district:
Richmond
Inferred County:
Surrey
Volume:
2a
Page:
220

jansmith

jansmith Report 15 Mar 2013 08:58

1891 Sarah is a widow

Name:
Sarah Jane Baker
Age:
57
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1834
Relation:
Head
Where born:
Lambeth, London, England
Civil parish:
Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish:
St John and St Mary
County/Island:
Surrey
Alfred Baker 21
Arthur Baker 16
Frederick Baker 14
Amy Baker 11

jansmith

jansmith Report 15 Mar 2013 08:54

possible death of father James?

Name:
James Baker

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1836

Date of Registration:
Jan-Feb-Mar 1882
Age at Death:
46
Registration district:
Richmond
Inferred County:
Surrey
Volume:
2a
Page:
223

Astra

Astra Report 15 Mar 2013 06:53

Possible marriage

Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%)
Baker James Hackney 1b 470

Lewis Sarah Jane Hackney 1b 470


Name: James Baker>>>>>>Lighterman
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Sarah Jane Lewis
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Oct 1858
Parish: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: James Baker>>>>>>>Lighterman
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Lewis>>>>>Cab proprietor
Register Type: Parish Register


Witnesses Thomas Lewis and Rebecca Frantham?

Searching back James appears to be the son of James Baker a Lighterman and Maria