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Thank you both again....Will let you know when we get the results from Marriage certificate.
:-) Alison

I agree with MC - you need Fanny's m.cert.
Assuming it names George, I looked for a Geo Jacobs - Mary ? marr in Ireland (Mary's pob).
I didn't see one, but Irish BMDs only really began in 1864 - before that, non-RC marrs were registered back to 1845.

Search Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958 at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND

One can purchase certs (or cheaper still, the uncertified images of the rego) via:
http://www.groireland.ie/

The Irish 1901/1911 censuses are free at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
[Not heard of any release dates for next census (=1926 in both Irelands)]

Most City of Dublin parish registers are free online at:
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/


So, to find out Mary's name, you'll need Fanny's b.cert, again from the GRO (as an overseas event).

Again, assuming George is relevant, I think this is his b.cert index entry.
Births Jun 1841 (>99%)
Jacobs George Romsey 7 150

Actually, I think George is relevant, and Fanny's named after her gran, but it really is worth spending the $$ to avoid the aggro of wasting your time on strangers.

Alison, just to clarify - there's nothing to say that your friend Lisa's ancestor Fanny had the same name parents as the one who married Frank Farnsworth and stayed in the US.

The info that mgnv has found looks very promising but she needs to get the marriage cert of Fanny to Frank Mould. Can order online from GRO, will cost about 13.5 AUD
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp (Gins has posted the record above with all the necessary references)

If the Mould's are the correct ancestors for Lisa then I'm happy to forward those newspaper articles on, just send me a pm with an email address and I'll forward them (the file sizes might be a bit too big to send via GR message system). Having said that, he sounds like a bit of a bad lad so she might not want them!

GRO ARMY CHAPLAINS DEATH INDICES (1796 to 1880) Transcription
First Name:MARGARET ELLEN
Last Name:JACOBS
Year Range:1868-1869
Station:BARBADOS
Country:WEST INDIES
Page:1017
Record Source:GRO Army Chaplains Death Indices (1796 to 1880)
Record set:British nationals armed forces deaths 1796-2005
Record collection:Deaths & burials

GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924) Transcription
First Name:THOMAS
Last Name:JACOBS
Year Range:1874
Place:ALDERSHOT
Country:ENGLAND
Regiment:47th Foot
Volume:1115
Page:39

GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924) Transcription
First Name:FREDERICK
Last Name:JACOBS
Year Range:1876
Place:ALDERSHOT
Country:ENGLAND
Regiment:47th Foot
Volume:1115
Page:43
Collections from:United Kingdom
Category:Vital Records (Birth, Marriage, Death)
Record collection:Births & baptisms

Re Gins's 1881: Where born: For (U S), North America
The enumerator has just entered pob=North America - some tally clerk has entered US For.

I think this is the index record for Fanny's b.cert:
GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924) Transcription
First Name:FANNY
Last Name:JACOBS
Year Range:1866
Place:HALIFAX
Country:CANADA
Regiment:47th Foot
Volume:1115
Page:5

Probably these were her sibs:
GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924) Transcription
First Name:MARGARET H
Last Name:JACOBS
Year Range:1868
Place:HALIFAX
Country:CANADA
Regiment:47th Foot
Volume:136
Page:8
Collections from:United Kingdom
Category:Vital Records (Birth, Marriage, Death)
Record collection:Births & baptisms
Record set:British nationals armed forces births 1761-2005

GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924) Transcription
First Name:GEORGE W
Last Name:JACOBS
Year Range:1871
Place:OUGHTERARD
Country:IRELAND
Regiment:47th Foot
Volume:1115
Page:23
Collections from:United Kingdom
Category:Vital Records (Birth, Marriage, Death)
Record collection:Births & baptisms
Record set:British nationals armed forces births 1761-2005


1861 Worldwide Army Index Transcription has a couple of entries for the same George #550
First Name:George
Last Name:Jacobs
Year:1861
Unit Or Regiment:47th Foot (Lancashire)
Rank:Private
Soldier Number:550
Regiment Stationed at:Dover Dublin & Ship
National Archives Reference:WO12 / 5933

The other only differs in:
Unit Or Regiment:47th Foot (Lancashire) Depot
Regiment Stationed at:Athlone

George's service record shows 21 y of service, ending in Oct 1881, and includes service in Montreal; Ontario (Kingston, London, Hamilton); Halifax between 1864 and 1869.Early in 1869, he arrived in the West Indies, and spent nearly a year there, then, in 1870, they were back in Ireland. The rest of George's service was in the UK, but it doesn't look like he was in England until late 1871, so his 1861/71 Irish censuses will be lost. His attestation on 11/6/1860 says he's 19 y.o, from Romsey, Hants, so he most likely is on the 6/6/1841 census as well as 1851:

1851 England Census Transcription
Street:CHERVILLE STREET
Parish:ROMSEY EXTRA
City:ROMSEY
County:Hampshire
Division Of County:SOUTHERN
Ecclesiastical District:
Hamlet:
House Name:
House Number:
Parliamentary Borough:
Municipal Ward:
Registration District:ROMSEY
Enumeration District:3B
Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:1671 Folio:211 Page:35

GEORGE JACOBS 1805 46 Romsey, Hants HEAD M Ag Lab
FANNY JACOBS 1803 48 Romsey, Hants WIFE M
ANN JACOBS 1827 24 Romsey, Hants DAUGHTER U
ELIZA JACOBS 1833 18 Romsey, Hants DAUGHTER U Shirt Maker
FANNY JACOBS 1836 15 Romsey, Hants DAUGHTER U Shirt Maker
GEORGE JACOBS 1841 10 Romsey, Hants SON Scholar
ROBERT JACOBS 1846 5 Romsey, Hants GRAND SON Scholar
JOHN JACOBS 1851 0[8m] Romsey, Hants GRAND SON

Hi Gins,
Yes think a marriage cert maybe a good idea... I will get intouch with lisa, who I am trying to help out with this.

Thanks again.
Alison

Alison

Have you got the marriage certificate for Fanny? If not, you really need it, to check the fathers details

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915

Name: Fanny Jacobs
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1894
Registration district: Chippenham
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 93


Im thinking that this might be the girl that married above?


1881 England Census
Name: Fanny Jacobs
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Jacobs
Mother's name: Mary Jacobs
Gender: Female
Where born: For (U S), North America

Civil parish: Devizes St James
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address: "Le Marchant Barracks"

Occupation: Daughter

Registration district: Devizes
Sub-registration district: Devizes
ED, institution, or vessel: Le Marchant Barracks
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2041
Folio: 107
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
George Jacobs 40
Mary Jacobs 39
Fanny Jacobs 14
George Jacobs 10
Tom Jacobs 6
Frederick Jacobs 4


......and here, in the same reg district as Fanny in 1891



1891 England Census
Name: Frederick Jacobs
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Jacobs
Mother's name: Mary Jacobs
Gender: Male
Where born: Aldershot, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Pewsham
Ecclesiastical parish: Derryhill Christchurch
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Registration district: Chippenham
Sub-registration district: Chippenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1593
Folio: 37
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
George Jacobs 50
Mary Jacobs 49
Frederick Jacobs 15

Hi to Gins marie and Gai,
Thank you all for your efforts, omg how confusing fancy there being two Fanny;s with parents with same name. :-(
It did cross my mind not finding any travel that she may have been married in Canada.

well this is our fanny in 1891....

Name: Fanny Jacob
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Nova Scotia, United States

Civil parish: Box
Ecclesiastical parish: Box
Town: Box
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Chippenham
Sub-registration district: Corsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
N:
Piece: 1592
Folio: 34
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Cornelius J Pictor
48
Mary Pay
50
Lilian M Pay
24
Louisa Pictor
40
Fanny Jacob*****
24
Ellen Dyke
23
Matilda Pictor
42

Wondered if anyone can find anything regarding the marriage of Mabel to Oscar?


U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Oscar Clement Bohlin
City: Somerville
County: Middlesex
State: Massachusetts
Birthplace: Massachusetts,United States of America
Birth Date: 26 Sep 1887

U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006
Name: Oscar C Bohlin
Service Info.: AR United States Army
Birth Date: 26 Sep 1887
Death Date: 10 Jun 1968
Interment Date: 14 Jun 1968
Cemetery: Arlington National Cemetery
Cemetery Address: C/O Director Arlington, VA 22211
Buried At: Section 52 Site 682

Fanny who was the daughter of Eli was still in the USA in 1940:

1940 United States Federal Census

Name: Fanny E Farnsworth
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: Canada English
Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Mother-in-law
Home in 1940: Lexington, Middlesex, Massachusetts
Street: Bedford Street
House Number: 152
Inferred Residence in 1935: Weston, Massachusetts
Residence in 1935: Weston, Massachusetts
Citizenship: Naturalized
Sheet Number: 5A
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: High School, 4th year
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: Yes
Neighbors:

Household Members:
Name Age
Oscar C Bohlin 51
Mabel Bohlin 49 - her daughter as shown on the 1900
Charlotte Bohlin 13
Fanny E Farnsworth 70

Hi Alison, I think the main thing to establish is which of the two Fanny Jacob's is the correct one.

It's quite a coincidence that there were two of the same name born a couple of years apart in Canada, and they both married men called Frank. But they are two different women.

Hi to you all,
Thank you so much for input.
Will go over it tomorrow In perth so dinner time for us.

Alison :-)

Had a look in the newspaper archives to see if there was anything on the 1894 marriage of Frank Mould and Fanny Jacob that might give some background, sadly not.

However, the Frank Mould of the addresses on the 1901 and 1911 was mentioned many times relating to his appearances at the police courts on drink related charges.

MC - I didn't look at Familysearch only Ancestry.

I can see the image a lot clearer on Familysearch.

Gai - does the Familysearch image not work better for you?

There's no doubt the marriage and 1900 US census that Gins found is for Fannie, the daughter of Eli and Elizabeth so it looks like we have two Fannys.

1901 England

MOULD, Frank Head Married M 31 1870 Maltster Bradford, Wiltshire
MOULD, Fanny Head Married F 33 1868 Halifax Nova Scotia
MOULD, Francis S G Son M 5 1896 Bath, Somersetshire
MOULD, Stephen Son M 4 1897 Bath, Somersetshire
MOULD, Thomas Son M 1 1900 Bath, Somersetshire
LANE, Thomas Boarder Single M 16 1885 Iron Moulder Bristol, Gloucestershire

Piece: 2334 Folio: 56 Page: 14
Registration District: Bath
Civil Parish: Twerton

Address: 20, Stuart Place, Twerton County: Somersetshire

That's a terrible image, how on earth would you even know if there was
a transcription error or not.

Gins, sadly it doesn't give any witnesses, just that the ceremony was performed by Allen G Hall, pastor of ME (Methodist?) church at so Framingham (image comes up quite clear on my screen?)

EDIT: I notice the documents on Ancestry and Familysearch are different versions of the same thing, but have exactly the same info. The Familysearch version on the link above is much clearer to read.

Gai/MC

Ive tried reading that marriage record but it's such a poor quality image.

I wanted to check who the witnesess's were. Can you have a look and see if you can make anything out please

This must be the 1911 for the Fanny referred to who married Frank Mould:

MOULD, Frank Head Married7 years M 42 1869 Wood Cutter Wiltshire
MOULD, Fany Wife Married F 45 1866 Novatiotia Resident
MOULD, Frances Stephen George Son Single M 16 1895 Wood Cutter Lankhall Batts Somerset
MOULD, Stephen Son M 14 1897 Coal Miner Hewer Lankhall Batts Somerset
MOULD, John Son M 14 1897 Coal Miner Hewer Lankhall Batts Somerset

RG number: RG14 Piece: 14676
Reference: RG14PN14676 RG78PN890 RD316 SD1 ED13 SN25
Registration District: Bath
Sub District: Twerton
Enumeration District: 13
Parish: Englishcombe

Address: 1 Rose Cottages Odd Down Bath County: Somersetshire

It begs the question whether Alison is working back from the Moulds or forwards from the Jacobs.

The birthdate (if accurate) is 3 years older than Fanny Jacobs born to Eli .

Gins,

I have sent Alison a pm telling her about the information you have found.

I believe she is helping a friend with her research so hopefully she comes
back to the thread soon.