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Help in finding BAPTISMS PLEASE

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dancingqueen

dancingqueen Report 20 Mar 2013 20:20

Gone back through all cenus 1841-1891 when dies and this is what each one says about his place of birth

1841 Cenus William Tolman born in Devon YES
1851 Cenus William Toulman -Church Stanton, Somerset
1861 Cenus William Tolman -Seaton, Devon
1871 Cenus William Tolman-Seaton, Devon
1881 Cenus William Tolman Tauton, Somerset
1891 Cenus William Tolman Seaton, Devon

so on the basis of probabilities Seaton, Devon would be the first place I should check. But am even questioning the spelling of surname. As the marriage was under Toulman as well as the 1851 cenus.

Is anyone going to Devon record office? Would anyone be prepared to look up Seaton and Beer baptisms 1812/ or either side? I know its a big ask

Thanks

dancingqueen

dancingqueen Report 20 Mar 2013 20:03

I have some doubts -just because in 1841 cenus and 1851 cenus I have found two William Tolman -mine William Tolman who gives his dob between 1810/1812 depending on which cenus, married to Louisa and family. Where as there is also a William Tolman gives dob 1813 born Ottery St Mary and married to Susanna, so I think this William must be the william baptised in Ottery St Mary, not mine.

Oh I wish it was. What do you think?

Tenerife sun hope you had lovely lunch

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 20 Mar 2013 12:11

I'm not sure how to prove that William and Sarah are your Williams parents. I did notice that their first daughter baptised 1910 was called Sarah and the first son William. After the parents maybe but still not proof just an assumption. I'll have a look later to see if I can dig a bit deeper into this family. Just going out to lunch :-D

dancingqueen

dancingqueen Report 19 Mar 2013 22:30

Tenerife sun

Oh right sorry, now understand, just wondering how I could confirm that this is correct parentage as due to marriage being in 1833 -parents not given at marriage, as in post1837.

thanks

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 19 Mar 2013 22:16

Dancing queen I think the marriage is for the parents of your William 1812 who married Louisa. On the baptisms for March 1813 the parents are given as William and Sarah. The marriage I found is for William and Sarah Salter who married in
1809' before your Williams birth. As you rightly said William and Louisa married in 1833.

dancingqueen

dancingqueen Report 19 Mar 2013 21:23

Chris

Thank you yes that is my family, as you can see by the different spellings of the surname with the marriage and baptisms of children -difficult to know which is correct -but eventually gone by spelling Tolman -but of course his baptism could be Toulman/ Tolman or Tollman.

Tenerife sun that marriage unfortunately is not correct my wife is Louisa, so unlike that baptism you found for William Tolman would correspond which is a shame, will just have to keep looking.

Thanks all

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 19 Mar 2013 15:06

Groom's Surname:Toulman
Groom's Forename:William
Bride's Surname:Tozer
Bride's Forename:Louisa
Year:1833
Month:May
Day:16
Parish:Seaton
Town Or City:
County:Devon
Record source:Devon Marriages

Baptism
Surname:Tollman
Forenames:Robert Henry
Father's Forename:William
Mother's Forename:Louisa
Father's Occupation:Labourer
Year:1838
Month:Oct
Day:19
Abode:Seaton
Parish:Seaton And Beer
Town Or City:
County:Devon

Baptism
Surname:Tollman
Forenames:William Richard
Father's Forename:William
Mother's Forename:Louisa
Father's Occupation:Labourer
Year:1838
Month:Oct
Day:19
Abode:Seaton
Parish:Seaton And Beer
Town Or City:
County:Devon

(just above on Find My Past)

Chris :)


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(not sure if anything on above)

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 19 Mar 2013 14:39

Probable marriage for the above parents but need to verify that they belong to you


Name: William Tolman
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Sarah Salter
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 27 Dec 1809
Event Place: Ottery Saint Mary,Devon,England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00276-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 0962975 IT 1, 962974

dancingqueen

dancingqueen Report 18 Mar 2013 22:11

tenerife sun -wow thank you verymuch that is very interesting and something for me to look further into.

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 18 Mar 2013 16:50

A possible as I think Seaton cum Beer and Ottery St Mary are near to each other.

Other christening same parents names and same place are

Susanna 06/03/1816
Sarah 31/05/1810 born 12/05/1810
Mary 07/06/1818

Name: William Tolman
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 28 Mar 1813
Christening Place: OTTERY SAINT MARY,DEVON,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Tolman
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00276-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 0962974, 0962975
Reference ID:

dancingqueen

dancingqueen Report 18 Mar 2013 13:52

Ann cardiff

these are the children of William and Louisa, am trying to take it back further into the past with their baptisms, which will hopefully give me their parents names, so can find siblings etc and go further back


Thanks for all the information my line comes down Robert H Tolman.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 18 Mar 2013 12:20

Name: William R Tolman
Age (Original): 42
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1839
Birthplace: Seaton, Devon, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Tailor
Address: Sidmouth St
Event Place: Seaton And Beer, Devonshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341514
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 2130 / 53
Page Number: 23
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head William R Tolman M 42 Seaton, Devon, England
Wife Harriett Tolman F 37 Uffcombe, Devon, England
Daughter Laura Tolman F 14 Uffcombe, Devon, England
Son William H Tolman M 13 Seaton, Devon, England
Daughter Lilly Tolman F 8 Seaton, Devon, England
Daughter Clara Tolman F 6 Seaton, Devon, England
Son Sidney Tolman M 4 Seaton, Devon, England
Daughter Ida Tolman F 3 Uffcombe, Devon, England
Daughter Edith Tolman F 0 Uffcombe, Devon, England

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 18 Mar 2013 12:19

Name: Henry W Tolman
Age (Original): 33
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1848
Birthplace: Seaton, Devon, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Carpenter
Address: The Square
Event Place: Seaton And Beer, Devonshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341514
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 2130 / 50
Page Number: 18
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Henry W Tolman M 33 Seaton, Devon, England
Wife Mary J Tolman F 32 Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Daughter Ada A Tolman F 8 Ventnor, Isle Of Wight, Hampshire, England
Son Henry W Tolman M 7 Ventnor, Isle Of Wight, Hampshire, England
Daughter Ethel M Tolman F 6 Ventnor, Isle Of Wight, Hampshire, England
Daughter Ambrosine Tolman F 5 Ventnor, Isle Of Wight, Hampshire, England
Daughter Eva B Tolman F 2 Seaton, Devon, England
Son Arthur Tolman M 0 Seaton, Devon, England

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 18 Mar 2013 12:18

Eliza Tolman
England and Wales Census, 1861
birth: 1837 Seaton, Devon
census: 1861 Seaton Cum Beer, Devonshire, England

Henry Tolman
England and Wales Census, 1861
birth: 1848 Seaton, Devon
census: 1861 Seaton Cum Beer, Devonshire, England

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 18 Mar 2013 12:17

???????????

Robert Tolman
England and Wales Census, 1841
birth: 1838 Devon
census: 1841 Seaton, Devonshire, England

William Tolman
England and Wales Census, 1841
birth: 1838 Devon
census: 1841 Seaton, Devonshire, England

dancingqueen

dancingqueen Report 18 Mar 2013 07:56

Both Louisa and William baptism/ bith dates would be approx within 2-5 years. But I have plenty of woman in my family tree having children in their 40s

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 17 Mar 2013 23:07

Looks like she would have been about 45 when last child born. I don't find this too surprising tMarieCeleste, to be honest:

1861 England Census
Name: Louisa Tolman
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Tolman
Gender: Female
Where born: Seaton, Devon, England

Civil parish: Seaton and Beer
Town: Seaton
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Axminster
Sub-registration district: Colyton

William Tolman 49
Louisa Tolman 58
Eliza Tolman 24
Henry Tolman 13
George Berry 16

Jan



MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 17 Mar 2013 22:57

If Louise Tozer was born c1800 then she'd be very very old for the time to be having a child at age 47?

dancingqueen

dancingqueen Report 17 Mar 2013 21:23

Yeah true, he seems to change his mind -all i can make from this is that it must be in the devon/somerset area. As I believe church stanton used to be in devon county but now somerset

Mike *

Mike * Report 17 Mar 2013 21:13

Birthplace is not consistant


1881 - he's a gardener living away from home ( born Taunton)

Name: William Tolman
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Taunton, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Seaton and Beer
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address: Worcester Cottage
Condition as to marriage: Married
----------------------------------------------------------


1851 ( birth still Somerset)

Name: William Toulman
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa Toulman
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Church Stanton, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Seaton and Beer
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Axminster
Sub-registration district: Lyme


William Toulman 39
Louisa Toulman 49
George Toulman 17
Eliza Toulman 14
Robert Toulman 12
William Toulman 12
Henry Toulman 4


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1861 - ( born Devon)


Name: William Tolman
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa Tolman
Gender: Male
Where born: Seaton, Devon, England


1891 ( born Devon)

Name: William Tolman
Age: 79
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Seaton, Devon, England