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Alice A Buck

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Mark

Mark Report 18 Mar 2013 13:22

My Alice A Buck was born 1888 daughter of William Buck and Mary Roberts

Using ancestry i have found the following

Name:

Alice Ann Buck

Age: 73

Burial Date:11 Aug 1960

Parish:Westhoughton, St James

Parish as it Appears:St James, Werthoughton

Reference Number L128/1/4/1
Item Number:2
Archive Roll:850

Also found a possible probate but unsure if this is my lady

Thanks

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 18 Mar 2013 13:30

Assuming she is the Alice in the below census, looks like she was Alice Ann, if that helps (you can find this birth easily on Freebmd):

Births Sep 1887 (>99%)
BUCK Alice Ann Ormskirk 8b 780

1891 England Census
Name: Alice A Buck
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Buck
Mother's name: Mary Buck
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkdale, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Birkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Birkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: Formby

William Buck 30
Mary Buck 28
Annie Buck 5
Alice A Buck 3
Elizabeth Buck 11/12

Jan



Mark

Mark Report 18 Mar 2013 13:42

brummiejan

Yes that is her

Andrew

Andrew Report 18 Mar 2013 13:42

Parents and some children 1911. No Alice

1911 England Census
about William Buck
Name: William Buck
Age in 1911: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Aughton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Southport
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 181 Kew Rd Birkdale Southport
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Gardener
Registration district: Ormskirk
Registration District Number: 457
Sub-registration district: Formby
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Piece: 22858
Household Members: Name Age
William Buck 51
Mary Buck 48
Ernest Buck 19
Edith Buck 16
Jessie Buck 14
Percy Buck 13
Herbert Buck 10
John Buck 8
Harold Buck 6
Ethel Buck 3




married 29 years
18 (!) children 13 living 5 died

Andy

Mark

Mark Report 18 Mar 2013 13:46

I only have 11 children listed

Anne
Alice A
Elizabeth
Ernest
Edith
Jessie
Percy
Herbert
John
Harold
Ethel

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 Mar 2013 13:51

??
Name: Alice A Buck
Birth Date: abt 1887
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1960
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Horwich
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10c
Page: 357

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Mar 2013 13:54

1901 England Census about William Buck
Name: William Buck
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Buck
Gender: Male
Where born: Houghton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Birkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: Formby
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 203
Piece: 3533
Folio: 155
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
William Buck 40
Mary Buck 38
Alice Buck 13
Elizabeth Buck 10
Ernest Buck 8
Edith Buck 6
Jessie Buck 4
Percy Buck 3
Herbert Buck 1 Month

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Mar 2013 13:58

parents marriage ?:-

Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%)
BRAMLEY Annie Liverpool 8b 201
xxxxx BUCK William Liverpool 8b 201
CALLIGAS Nicholas Liverpool 8b 201
xxxxx Roberts Mary Liverpool 8b 201

Mark

Mark Report 18 Mar 2013 14:00

Thanks Catherine i did have the marriage from freebmd just not all the children if the census is correct on number of children born/died

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Mar 2013 14:06

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1887
BUCK Alice Ann Formby North Sefton ROBERTS F/19/253

Other births in same area:-

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1881
BUCK Mary Ann Great Crosby South Sefton ROBERTS C/15/431

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1884
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BUCK Jane Formby North Sefton ROBERTS F/16/221

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1885
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BUCK Annie Formby North Sefton ROBERTS F/17/214

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1886
BUCK Mary Formby North Sefton ROBERTS F/18/225

...................so Mary Ann, Jane and Mary are all other possible siblings!

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Mar 2013 14:08

What was your question?

And, as you have access to Ancestry, you can find ALL census info yourself.

Have you done any research as to whether she married?

You should be using Lancsbmd to look for siblings......!

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Mar 2013 14:14

Possible death for Mary Ann born 1881:-

Deaths Mar 1883 (>99%)
BUCK Mary Anne 1 Ormskirk 8b 637

...........................

also relevant:-
Lancashire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911 about Mary Ann Buck
Name: Mary Ann Buck
Baptism Date: 9 Oct 1881
Parish: Southport, Christ Church
Father: William Buck
Occupation:- Carter
Mother: Mary Buck
Reference Number: Pr 2941/1/5

..............So Mary Ann could be one of the children who died?

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Mar 2013 14:14

Buy the death cert....it will say if she was married -or not

Deaths Sep 1960 (>99%)
BUCK Alice A 73 Horwich 10c 357

Mark

Mark Report 18 Mar 2013 14:15

My OP is quite clear as to what i have found and the research i have carried out. I was merely asking for a second opinion. And as the census indicates the couple had a rather large family and i am unable to account for all the births i was asking for help. The death i have posted in 1960 would indicate that she did not marry.

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Mar 2013 14:15

Who was granted Probate (or Administration) on the record you say you've found?

Mark

Mark Report 18 Mar 2013 14:16

As she was born Alice A Buck and died Alice A Buck a good indication she did not marry

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Mar 2013 14:17

This looks to be Jane:-

Lancashire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911 about Jane Buck
Name: Jane Buck
Baptism Date: 30 Mar 1884
Parish: Birkdale, St James
Father: William Buck
Occupation:- Carter
Mother: Mary Buck
Reference Number: Pr 3354/1/1
Address:- Birkdale Common

.....................................................

Not on 1891 census as she seems to be visiting her Grandparents:-

1891 England Census about Jane Buck
Name: Jane Buck
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkdale, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Birkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Birkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: Formby
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3033
Folio: 107
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Roberts 56
Jane Roberts 56
Williams Roberts 26
Jenny Roberts 19
George Roberts 15
James Rimmer 62
Jane Buck 7
Polly Buck 5 - born: Birkdale, Lancashire,

................NOTE:- There is also a Polly Buck aged 5yrs (probably Mary born 1886)!

Mark

Mark Report 18 Mar 2013 14:18

Ellen France - Spinster

Andrew

Andrew Report 18 Mar 2013 14:20

The probate to Alice Ann Buck in 1960 states she is a widow so cannot be your Allice

Probate to Ellen Frances, spinster

Andy

Catherine

Catherine Report 18 Mar 2013 14:42

?

1901 England Census about Jane Buck
Name: Jane Buck
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkdale, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Birkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: General Domestic

Condition as to marriage: Single

Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: Formby
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 222
Piece: 3534
Folio: 45
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Aughton 25
Ada Aughton 26
Edith Aughton 3
Ann Aughton 2 Weeks
Robert Johnson 19
Jane Buck 18
......................................................

Looks as though she probably married Robert Johnson from 1891 census:-

Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%)
Buck Jane Ormskirk 8b 1387
Fearn Charles Ormskirk 8b 1387
Johnson Robert Ormskirk 8b 1387
Rimmer Hannah Ormskirk 8b 1387

............................................

1911:-
JOHNSON, Elizabeth Head Widow F 53 1858 Ormskirk Lancs VIEW
JOHNSON, Elizabeth Ann Daughter Single F 22 1889 Servent Birkdale Lancs VIEW
JOHNSON, Edward Son Single M 13 1898 Errand Boy Birkdale Lancs VIEW
JOHNSON, John Son Single M 13 1898 School Birkdale Lancs VIEW

JOHNSON, Robert Boarder Married M 27 1884 Cab Driver Birkdale Lancs VIEW
JOHNSON, Jane Wife Boarder Married 8 years F 26 1885 Birkdale Lancs VIEW
JOHNSON, Annie Daughter Boarder F 7 1904 School Birkdale Lancs VIEW
JOHNSON, Teresa Daughter Boarder F 5 1906 School Birkdale Lancs VIEW
JOHNSON, Jane Daughter Boarder F 3 1908 Birkdale Lancs VIEW
JOHNSON, Robert Son Boarder M 2 1909 Birkdale Lancs VIEW
JOHNSON, Ernest Son Boarder M 0 (3 WEEK) 1911 Birkdale Lancs VIEW
RG number: RG14 Piece: 22857 Reference: RG14PN22857 RD457 SD5 ED17 SN171 Registration District: Ormskirk Sub District: Formby Enumeration District: 17 Parish: Southport Address: 136 Upper Aughton Road Birkdale County: Lancashire