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Italian and Irish Ancestors

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Janice

Janice Report 31 Mar 2013 18:58

Hi, I hope someone can help me. I tried to find various members of my family firstly on my fathers side going back to my Great Grandad who was italian. The current surname for this side of the family is DISCIPLINE. Back over the years it has been on some records as DISCIPLINO, DISCEPLINE, DISCIPLINS. I can find my Great grandads marriage to his wife Elizabeth A Green in 1902. Before that, i cannot find him on any citizenship/nationalisation records, passenger lists or when he come over from Italy or Sicily. I know Elizabeth was Irish and that is all. If i was then able to find any of those things (which I cant!). How would i also trace back into Italy/Sicily? Two older members from different sides of the family believe the original name was Di Cipliano or De Cippliano. Ive hit a brick wall. I tried to do this about five years ago and had the same hurdle. I am trying for the second time and want to be successful. If anyone coulld help point me in the right direction, I would be very grateful. One more thing I thought of is tracing Elizabeth back into Ireland and what is the best route on that one.. Many thanks. Jan

Andrew

Andrew Report 31 Mar 2013 19:13

Hi Janice and welcome to the message boards.

Can yoyu give us the name of the person Elizabeth married please.

Is this th correct family?

1911 England Census
about Francis Discipline
Name: Francis Discipline
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Italy
Civil parish: Battersea
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 25 Aegis Grove, South Lambeth S W
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: HAWKERS
Registration district: Wandsworth
Registration District Number: 26
Sub-registration district: East Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Piece: 2165
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Discipline 34
Elizabeth Discipline 27
Joseph Discipline 9
Anthony Discipline 6
Elizabeth Discipline 4
James Discipline 1


Andy

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 31 Mar 2013 19:15

Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)

Discepline Francis Southwark 1d 191
Green Elizabeth Southwark 1d 191

Do you have the certificate for fathers' names?

Andrew

Andrew Report 31 Mar 2013 19:20

For ref

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
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Discepline Francis Southwark 1d 191
Green Elizabeth Southwark 1d 191


Andy

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 31 Mar 2013 19:23

on, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Elizabeth Green
Name: Elizabeth Green
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Age: 19
Spouse Name: Francis Discepline
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Jul 1902
Parish: Walworth St Peter
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: James Green
Spouse Father Name: Francis Discepline ( occupation sexton)
Register Type: Parish Register

Andrew

Andrew Report 31 Mar 2013 19:23

Possible for Frncis 1901

1901 England Census
about Francesco Disicipliew
Name: Francesco Disicipliew
[Francesco Disiciplino]
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Italian Subject, Italy

Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Peter, Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 8
Piece: 380
Folio: 30
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Arnold J W Brakman 22
Hendrik W Brakman 25
Kate L Pollard 19
Irey Wilson 4
Lily Ruth Pollard 11
Francesco Disicipliew 24
Giovanni Esposito 24
Francesco Bengivango 23
Paolo Dalia 19
Vicenzo Polise 23
Carmine Catapano 20


Andy

Liam

Liam Report 1 Apr 2013 02:36

found this,maybe of use
Travelling to New York 12/ 11/ 1925 [ 3rd class ] . from Southampton.
Francesco Discepline. age 23 / occ Merchant
add/ 1 Trafalgar Place,
Kennington.
Ship/ President Roosevelt

Flip

Flip Report 1 Apr 2013 07:15

Have you tried family search - saw this advertised recently:

https://familysearch.org/italy

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 2 Apr 2013 13:26

Hello Janice,

It seems as though quite a few members on this site have the name Discipline in their tree. You may well have some connections on here.

If you click on Search (above) and then on Search All Trees and add the name Discipline, you will see what I mean. You can also play around with the various spellings to see what crops up. If you find any connections, you can contact the tree owner.

Also, this link may be of interest to you:


www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk


Cx

Alemap

Alemap Report 2 Apr 2013 16:53

The passenger details for Francesco J. arrival in USA 1925.

Under final destination it states Naples, Italy which has been crossed out and London, Eng added.

You can view the the image on familysearch.org

After looking at the 1901 and 1911 census data and the fact that Francis Joseph (Jospeh on the 1911 census) gives Naples as a destination, the surname maybe

De Scisciolo



Janice

Janice Report 2 Apr 2013 21:55

Thank you Pam that is very kind of you will will have a look. Jan