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have searched for a Joseph Morris Hayes incase I have been following the wrong line, have not found anyone so assume Joseph Morris is correct?
Jo

now have copy of marriage certificate
dated july 26th 1919 at St Marys church, parish of Halton, county of Chester
name/surname
Arnold Corker aged 28 bachelor, machine hand, residence Bates Bridge, fathers name James Corker, tanner
Josephine Morris Hayes aged 22 spinster, no rank or profession named, residence The Brook Halton. fathers name Joseph Morris Hayes, farmer
All seems to fit but Joseph Morris has added Hayes to the end of his name, could this be due to the fact that her mother is thought to be Mary Ann Hayes.
Have been in contact with other GR member who has Joseph Morris, born in Weaver in his tree, all seems to fit with what I have, His father/mother/siblings etc.

will do, thanks Jo

If he died in March, then death would have been registered in June, so death Chris has found looks good.
When you get the marriage certificate, could you post all the info from it onto this thread so that we can see what it says and if it confirms, or not, the info found.
Usually takes a couple of weeks so will check back then.
Fingers crossed X

Deaths Jun 1941 (>99%)
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Morris Joseph 74 Prescot 8b 1372


Date of Change 1.3.21
Gained part of the parish of Widnes (which until 9.11.1920 formed part of the parish of Cuerdley) from Warrington registration district. 46 in 1921

(clicking on Prescot, above info. is there, could that be it?)

Chris :)

(not sure of area!)

Hi Catherine, will now wait for marriage certificate, have not found death for him yet even using the above dates, will keep this thread open for the time being just incase, once again thanks for your valuable help and time
Jo

That looks to be him. Would make date of birth abt.1867 and address is correct so can't see how it can't be him.
Money may have gone to the bank to pay off loans that he had taken out? You can apply for a copy of the will, but not sure how to go about doing that as I have never done it. It may give you some more clues but then again if his money went to the bank, then there may be nothing on it so it could be a waste of money.

For info:- Cuerdley is a civil parish in Warrington, Cheshire, England. It has a population of 107 (2001 census) and much of its area is farmland. A large part of Cuerdley is occupied by the Fiddlers Ferry Power Station.

Very small so not surprising that you haven't heard of it.

have found a Joseph Morris in national probate calendar;
address Upper Moss Side farm, Cuerdley near Warrington, died 30.4.1941
£8262.16.9 to the District Bank Ltd.
farm name seems promising? do you know why money would go to a bank?
death age would have been 74 which is acceptable range
have never heard of Cuerdley
Jo

I couldn`t believe just how wealthy they were, did a check to see what it would be worth today, just under a million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pity he didn`t look after my Grandma/Grandad, they didn`t have two pennies to rub together
Jo

Good thinking josephine. May be worth looking into possibel probates for his brothers in case he is named in their wills.
There must suely be a pobate for Joseph too with him being wealthy?

thinking about it, if he is the right Joseph he must have been alive after 1925 to be mentioned in his dads will, sent for marriage certificate today so here`s hoping
Jo

If Josephine was in contact with her father, then he may very well be named on her marriage certificate. This will at least give you proof of his name and perhaps his occupation and if it states that he was still living at the time, then you know to look for a death after 1919.
Pity you don't have the letters, or at least a copy, as they may give some important clues that could help confirm that the Morris family I have found, is indeed the correct one.

Have looked for a death for Joseph but can't say with any certainty if any are correct. :-(

Thanks Chris, as you may have gathered I am a complete novice at this!!

Forenames:Thomas
Surname:Morris
Marriage Date:20 Dec 1866
Marriage Year:1866
Age:22y
Record Group:08-0497 p1
Ref ID:Page: 174 Record number: 347
Spouse's Forenames:Jane
Spouse's Surname:Owen
Spouse's Age:19y
Spouse's Father's Name:Joseph Owen (Farmer)
County:Cheshire
(Thomas Father, George Morris, Farmer, witnesses, Joseph Owen, Mary Owen)

Chris :)

Thanks Catherine, I feel quite sure that this has to be my Joseph Morris, my mum always said that he was a wealthy Cheshire farmer, he used to keep in contact by letter with my Grandma Josephine before she married in 1919 even though they did not live very far apart, perhaps a brisk half hour walk, he used to make excuses that he didn`t want her at the farm because he was too busy haymaking etc. would ask her to tea and then cancel the day before. Dare I say it that I am still trying to trace his death! Thank you very much for your help over the past few days
Jo

Forgot to post 1871 for above family, so here it is:-

1871 England Census about Joseph Morris
Name: Joseph Morris
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Morris
Mother's Name: Jane Morris
Gender: Male
Where born: Weaver, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Wharton
Ecclesiastical parish: Wharton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Northwich
Sub-registration district: Over
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 69
Piece: 3699
Folio: 97
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Morris 26 born: Minshul Vernon, Cheshire (Farmer of 111 Acres)
Jane Morris 23 born: Weaver, Cheshire
Joseph Morris 4
John Morris 2
Anne Morris 5 Months
William Whittey 20
George Fogg 17
Ann Palin 16
Jane Baker 12
John Riley 24

Married 44yrs. so this is a possible marriage for Thomas and Jane:-

Marriages Dec 1866 (>99%)
Higgins Elizabeth Northwich 8a 378
xxxx MORRIS Thomas Northwich 8a 378 xxxx
xxxx OWEN Jane Northwich 8a 378 xxxx
Yoxall George Northwich 8a 378

Just in case this is correct family, here is the death of Thomas (Joseph's father):-

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Thomas Morris
Name: Thomas Morris
Birth Date: abt 1845
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1925
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Bucklow
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 297

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Thomas Morris
Name: Thomas Morris
Probate Date: 22 Apr 1925
Death Date: 6 Mar 1925
Death Place: Birkenhead, Merseyside, England
Registry: Cheshire, England


Thomas of Northwood House High Legh near Knutsford Cheshire died 20 January 1925 Probate Chester 18 March to Joseph Morris John Morris and Edwin James Morris farmers.
Effects:- £20168 16s 6d.

So he died a very wealthy man!!

Have to go and do some shopping, but will be back later. :-D