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Mike *

Mike * Report 16 Apr 2013 12:42

Mgnv
My point was that I have experienced 2 cases where the child's baptism was recorded under a new surname with the step father being named as the father.

Just pointing out that the parents named on a baptism are not always correct ( ie different from those on the birth cert)

safc

safc Report 16 Apr 2013 12:43

Name: Selina Hack
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 49
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Birthplace: Maidstone, Kent
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: South Stoneham
Sub-District: Stoneham, South
Parish: Botley
County: Hampshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self John Hack M 55 Bosley, Hampshire
Wife Selina Hack F 49 Maidstone, Kent
Son James Hack M 20 South Stoneham, Hampshire
Visitor Harriott Spencer F 20 Bursledon, Hampshire

Thelma

Thelma Report 16 Apr 2013 13:57

Thank you safc.
That came as a surprise.That now excludes the 1856 marriage.

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 16 Apr 2013 14:10

Mike the census in 1861 states the girls are named Mary and Sarah Hack and the births are registered as Hacks. John Hack is claiming them and says he's a widower whilst Elizabeth is still a Taylor and says she's married, no claim on the girls at this time. This only happens at their Christening when the surname isn't important.

Looks as if they were covering up the fact that they were living together and not married to each other for whatever reason they had. They married in 1863.

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 16 Apr 2013 14:20

Is this the answer John waited for a son???

parents: John Hack, Elizabeth Taylor

Name John Henry Taylor
Gender Male
Christening Date11 Jan 1863
Christening Place SAINT JAMES,SOUTHAMPTON,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date23 Nov 1862
Father's Name John Hack
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Elizabeth Taylor

This is the registered birth

Name: John Henry Hack

Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1862

Registration district:Southampton

Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume 2c


Another registered as a Hack but Christened under Taylor

Thelma

Thelma Report 16 Apr 2013 16:43

PatinCyprus
That is strange,three christenings.
All two days after the parents married in the same church.
I would love to see the originals to find out if Familysearch have mistranscribed.

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 16 Apr 2013 17:30

There could have been a quiet wedding on the Friday. The Christening was on the Sunday, all the Christening I've been to were Sundays. The dates of birth on the Christening ties up with a last quater 1862 registration of the birth.

If they didn't have much money it would be a very small wedding and 1 day off work would be all they'd have, might have even been in his lunch time. They couldn't afford to stand on ceremony in those days.

It should be noted that it is now nearly 2 years since John Hack declared himself as a widower in 1861 and another child has been born and Christened with the name Taylor. Perhaps it's lies to the census but wouldn't lie in church.

John Henry is on the Census as a 9 yr old in 1871 with his parents

John H Hack
Age:9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862

Relation: Son

Father's Name: John Hack

Mother's Name: Elisabeth Hack

Gender: Male

Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: All Saints

Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints

Town: Southampton

County/Island: Hampshire

Country: England

Registration district: Southampton

Sub-registration district: Southampton

ED, institution, or vessel: 45

Household schedule number: 81

Piece: 1193
Folio 104
Page Number: 14

Household Members:

Name Age

John Hack 34
Elisabeth Hack 32
Mary J Hack 12
Sarah Hack 10
John H Hack 9
Amelia Hack 5
Louisa E Hack 3
Alfred C Hack 35

Thelma

Thelma Report 25 Apr 2013 17:56

Now have birth cert. for Mary Jane Hack 27/10/1858 11 King St.Southampton.
Father John Hack Merchant seaman
Mother Elizabeth Hack formerly Taylor

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 26 Apr 2013 07:48

Thanks Thelma for letting us know, it backs up what we found.. :-)