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Peter Balman - 1826

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Valerie

Valerie Report 17 Apr 2013 11:25

Thank you so much for this and all your time in the research which is absolutely fascinating. You have been so helpful and given me a lot of information to work on. I am very grateful to you. :-D

Mike *

Mike * Report 16 Apr 2013 16:24

I wasn't advocating buying these particular certificates.
Just pointing out the general procedure for future reference

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Apr 2013 15:46

Mike - there's no need for Valerie to buy the certificates, I've posted all of the father's details above from the actual marriage records.

Mike *

Mike * Report 16 Apr 2013 12:48

Valerie just noticed that you are new to the boards, so welcome.

To answer your initial question, and assuming you are unsure how to go about it, your first option would be to check out the marriage to Harriet Plummer.

Using freebmd, you simply enter the 2 surnames ( entering Peter would not have brought it up).. and click marriage

Try it on this link
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

You can buy the certificate from the General Registery Office
Link
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

The cert would give you the father's names

Hope this helps

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Apr 2013 11:19

Could be his father's burial?

John Peter Balman, "England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991"

Name: John Peter Balman
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 08 Jul 1851
Burial Place: St. Leonard, Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Age: 65
Birth Date: 1786

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B01716-6
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 416667
Reference ID: it 2, p 17, rn 131

Citing this Record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JCHV-638 :

Mike *

Mike * Report 16 Apr 2013 10:56




Parents
( from someone's tree)

Jan Pieter Balman

Birth - 1786 in Amsterdam, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands
Death - September 1851 in 7, Dutch Alms Houses, Shoreditch, Middlesex, England





Helena H Soetje Petronella Kenje

Birth- 1786 -in Netherlands
Death - December 1869 in Woolwich, London, England

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Apr 2013 10:54

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: John Peter Balman, widower. A lampmaker of 9 Louisa Street
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Age: 52
Spouse Name: Lucy Shaw, spinster of 7½ Denbigh Street
Spouse Age: 33
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Oct 1877
Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Peter Balman - wireworker
Spouse Father Name: John Shaw - labourer
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: William Haney?? and Elizabeth Adelaide Mansfield

Mike *

Mike * Report 16 Apr 2013 10:49

2nd marriage

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Marriages Dec 1877 -

Balman John Peter - Bethnal Green 1c 714
Shaw Lucy - Bethnal Green 1c 714

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Apr 2013 10:45

The 1843 arrival that Mike* posted above appears to be from the England, Alien Arrivals, 1810-1811, 1826-1869.

On the same arrival certificate is Helena Balman, Wilhelmina Eysenbroek, Peter Balman and Jean Balman.

Jan Peter's occupation looks like basketmaker.

Mike *

Mike * Report 16 Apr 2013 10:43

Appears to be always known as John


1871


John Balman 46
Harriet Balman 46
Wilima Balman 16
Ann Balman 14
John Balman 10
Harriet Balman 9
Haenom Balman 8
Sarah Balman 2

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1881 - 9 Louisa St. . Mile End Old Town


John Balman 56 - Lamp Maker
Lucy Balman 36 ( WIFE) -, born Norfolk
Henry Balman 18
Alice Balman 12
Louisa Balman 5
Caroline Balman 3
Elizabeth Balman 1

------------------


1891

John Balman 65 - widowed - Parrafine Lamp Maker
William Balman 9
Louisa Balman 15
Carline Balman 13
Elizabeth Balman 11

Mike *

Mike * Report 16 Apr 2013 10:41

Using John not Peter in 1861

1861

Name: John Balman
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet Balman
Gender: Male
Where born: Amsterdam Holland

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Church

John Balman 35
Harriet Balman 35
Ellen Balman 5
Ann E Balman 4
John E Balman 4 Months

safc

safc Report 16 Apr 2013 10:39

Name: Anna Elisabeth
Gender: Female
Christening Date:
Christening Place: BURGERLIJKE STAND, LEEUWARDEN, FRIESLAND, NETHERLANDS
Birth Date: 26 Jul 1820
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Jan Pieters Balman
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Helena Soetje Petronella Kinje
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C90190-6
System Origin: Netherlands-VR
GS Film number: 108027
Reference ID: 2:Q9D822

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Apr 2013 10:39

A possible for his birth?

Jan Pieter, "Netherlands, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1910"

Name: Jan Pieter
Gender: Male
Christening Place: BURGERLIJKE STAND, LEEUWARDEN, FRIESLAND, NETHERLANDS
Birth Date: 10 Dec 1821
Father's Name: Jan Pieter Balman
Mother's Name: Helena Soetje Petronella Kenje

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C90190-7
System Origin: Netherlands-VR
GS Film number: 108028
Reference ID: 2:JNNSNQ

Citing this Record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X14R-GZ1

There is also an 1819 birth to parents of the same name, perhaps the first one died?

safc

safc Report 16 Apr 2013 10:35

????

Name: Jan Pieter
Gender: Male
Christening Date:
Christening Place: BURGERLIJKE STAND, LEEUWARDEN, FRIESLAND, NETHERLANDS
Birth Date: 10 Dec 1821
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Jan Pieter Balman
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Helena Soetje Petronella Kenje
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C90190-7
System Origin: Netherlands-VR
GS Film number: 108028
Reference ID: 2:JNNSNQ

Mike *

Mike * Report 16 Apr 2013 10:32

Father


Name: Jan Peter Balman
Port of Arrival: Dover, England
Arrival Date: 29 May 1843
Port of Departure: Calais, France
Ship: Swallow
Country of Origin/Native of: Netherlands



possibly his death ( anglicised name)

Name: John Peter Balman
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1851
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume: 2
Page: 267

Mike *

Mike * Report 16 Apr 2013 10:30

Mother

Name: Helena Balman
Port of Arrival: Dover, England
Arrival Date: 29 May 1843
Country of Origin/Native of: Holland


Name: Helena Balman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1783
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1869
Age at Death: [86]4
Registration district: Woolwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 528 (

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Apr 2013 10:29

More on the marriage:

Liverpool, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921

Name: John Peter Balman - wireworker
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 30 Sep 1850
Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas
Spouse's Name: Harriah Plummer
Father's Name: John Peter Balman - wireworker
Spouse Father's Name: Edward Plummer - printer

Both of full age and neither previously married. Abode for both given as Scotland Road.

Witnesses: Hendrick Cornelius Verhoff and Mary Turnerman??

Mike *

Mike * Report 16 Apr 2013 10:29

John's parents

1851

Name: Jan Pieter Balman
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Helena H Balman
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Holland, Brit Sub

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Holywell

Jan Pieter Balman 65
Helena H Balman 65

Mike *

Mike * Report 16 Apr 2013 10:23



A tree has the following but check it out

: John Peter Balman

Birth: 27 August 1825 (27 Aug 1825) - Netherlands
Marriage: 30 September 1850 (30 Sep 1850) - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Death: December 1900 (Dec 1900) - London, England
Parents: Jan Pieter Balman, Helena H
Spouse: Harriet Plummer

safc

safc Report 16 Apr 2013 10:22

Name: John Peter Balman
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Harriet Plummer
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 30 Sep 1850
Event Place: Saint Nicholas,Liverpool,Lancashire,England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00599-4
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 93847, 93848, 93849, 93850, 93851, 93852
Reference ID: