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Maybe dad wanted a Harriet, but mother registered her as Jane - or visa versa. Who knows what went through our ancestors thoughts (without the crystal ball). But I can't see any other explanation.

But of course will stand corrected if someone can find anything else.

I think you are right Flip. The birth looks like Jane, if that is so it seems rather odd for her parents to call her Harriet! But there is no other explanation as far as I can see.
Jan

Has anyone had a better look at Harriet?

There is no birth reg 1855-60 that I can see, yet they registered their other children. She disappears after the 1881 census but no marriage or death. Brother Charles is back with his father in 1891, but Harriet is not with them or sister Fanny Green, I can't find her on any subsequent census. Nor can I see anything on immigration records.

Very much a mystery, but I would be pretty convinced that Harriet is Jane.

In 1881 Harriet is a winder in cotton mill, so if she is Jane this could explain the move to Lancashire where there was lots of work in the cotton mills.

Name: Jane Cumberland
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 26 May 1883
Parish: Haughton, St Ann
Parish as it Appears: Haughton, St Ann
Father's Name: William Camberland
Spouse's Name: John Shonock
Spouse's Father's Name: James Shonock
Reference Number: GB127.L142/1/2/1

witnesses Robert Higginbottom & Maria Higginbottom

Name: Jane Cumberland
Marriage: Apr 1883 - Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire

Manchester area

ok i guess thats the way to go now
Thanks very much for your help :-D

I totally agree with you - what a mystery! The only other thing I can suggest is to risk getting that birth cert just to be sure.
Jan

its getting a little clearer... but jane still nowhere to be found!
:-S

Just putting this as Mary looks to be Jemima's sister:

1841 England Census
Name: Mary Marcer
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Female
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Castle Donington
Hundred: West Goscote
County/Island: Leicestershire

Registration district: Shardlow
Sub-registration district: Castle Donington

William Marcer 45
Mary Marcer 40
Jemima Marcer 20
Rosannah Marcer 14
Harriet Marcer 11
Elizabeth Marcer 8
William Marcer 6
Frances Marcer 4
Mary Marcer 2

William and Jemima must be right. Just bear with me! I think William married Jemima Marcer . On checking out the person below, I am fairly sure she was Mary Marcer before marriage.


1891 England Census
Name: Mary Wragg
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Castle Donnington, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Ecclesfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Ecclesfield
Town: Ecclesfield
County/Island: Yorkshire

Registration district: Wortley
Sub-registration district: Ecclesfield

John Shorrock 34
Jane Shorrock 34
Annie M Shorrock 5
Mary L Shorrock 4
John C Shorrock 2
Edith A Shorrock 1
Mary Wragg 51


1881 England Census
Name: Mary Wragg
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph Wragg
Gender: Female
Where born: Castle Donington

Civil parish: Castle Donnington
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address: Clap Gun Street
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Shardlow
Sub-registration district: Castle Donington

Joseph Wragg 42
Mary Wragg 40
William Wragg 16
William Webb 7
Thomas Webb 6

Marriages Jun 1863 (>99%) (ONE NAME MISSING)
KIRK Joseph Shardlow 7b 517
TARLTON Mary Shardlow 7b 517
WRAGG Joseph Shardlow 7b 517

Marriages Jun 1863 (>99%)
MARCER Mary Shardlow 7b 617

is it possible that harriet cumberland 1858 could have been harriet jane or even just used jane instead?
where did she go after 1881?

it was couple called higginbottom wiitnesses
st ann parish church haughton and what looks to be lancaster?
26th may 1883
jane cumberland to john shorrock(shonock)
thats it the end of my knowlage

Well, this is William and jemima - but as I say no Jane. Please can you answer above queries - i.e. address and witnesses on marriage cert.


1881 England Census
Name: William Cumberland
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jemima Cumberland
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheepshed, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Castle Donnington
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address: Big Hill
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Sawyer

Registration district: Shardlow
Sub-registration district: Castle Donington

William Cumberland 58
Jemima Cumberland 56
Elizabeth Cumberland 20
Eliza Webb 3
Lucy Marcer 73
Fanny Marcer 21

yes ive come arcoss william and jemima defo no jane!
stumped is the word for it i think""

odd - looking at the family tree on familysearch.org - William's mother is Fanny :-S

well now you have her parents and some of her siblings

all i have is that her dad william cumberland was what looks to be a sawyer in 1883!
no siblings as yet just her family after she was married

Also been looking at William and Jemima

Yes she did Anne, it's just that i thought Lisa just wanted her before marriage. That's all!
Jan

I have found William and Jemima but no Jane with them. William is a sawyer if that helps. They are on census 1851 onwards so no question that Jemima re-married after Jane was born.
Jan

well didn't she become Jane Shorrocks? and could Mary be a daughter of hers?