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Ronald

Ronald Report 24 Apr 2013 23:43

I have just received info on my grandmothers grave and in it is an Elizabeth Oswald died 10/1962 I can not find any info on herin the grave is my grandfather harry barnes and my grandmother Gertrude barnes nee Oswald but I can not trace Elizabeth they are all from Lancashire and are buried in heywood cemetry in grave con j 951

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Apr 2013 23:52

Would this death fit Heywood?

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
Name: Elizabeth Oswald
Birth Date: abt 1896
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1962
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Bury
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 796

The death certificate would tell you more.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Apr 2013 00:09

1911 is this your grandmother ??

Name: Gretrude Oswald
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hollingworth Lake, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Rochdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 17 Holland St Rochdale
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Weavers Center
[Weavers Tenter]
Registration district: Rochdale
Registration District Number: 470
Sub-registration district: Spotland and Norden
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Piece: 24640
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Oswald 41 - Manchester
Margaret Oswald 35 - Blackburn
Walter Oswald 18 - Blackburn
Gretrude Oswald 14
John Oswald 11
William H Oswald 1/12

Says married 18 years


If yes then when and where did she marry Harry Barnes ?

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 25 Apr 2013 00:13

Bury does seem to cover Heywood

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/bury.html

Bury 1837-1974
Abolished 1.4.1974 to become an unparished area in Greater Manchester. See also Table 2, note (k).

Table 2, note (k)
1.4.1937
Gained part of the parish of Bury (which until 1.4.1937 formed part of the parish of Whitefield) from Heywood registration district.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Apr 2013 00:23

Struggling with the 1901 at the moment

??
Marriages Sep 1894 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Barnes Elizabeth Blackburn 8e 599
Griffith Margaret Almond Blackburn 8e 599
Oswald Michael Martin Blackburn 8e 599
Walton Thomas Blackburn 8e 599


??

Name: Gertrude Oswald
Birth Date: 17 Mar 1897
Age: 0
Baptism Date: 19 May 1897
Parish: Littleborough, Holy Trinity
Parish as it Appears: Littleborough
Father's Name: Michael Oswald - occupation of finisher
Mother's Name: Margaret Oswald
Reference Number: GB127.L60/1/1/6


But no idea if connected yet or not

Rule this out as occupation on baptism record does not match that on 1911 census

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Apr 2013 00:34

1901 but no Elizabeth ???

Name: Michael M Dewald
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret A Dewald
Mother's Name: Mary A Dewald
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Rochdale
Ecclesiastical parish: Newbold St Peter
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Castleton Further
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 83
Piece: 3833
Folio: 223
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Michael M Dewald 31
Margaret A Dewald 26
Walter Dewald 8
Gertrude Dewald 4
John Dewald 1
Samuel Dewald Under 1 Month
Mary A Dewald 67

Class: RG13; Piece: 3833; Folio: 223; Page: 13

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Apr 2013 00:35

Could do with some feedback from the poster

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Apr 2013 00:40

??

Name: Gertrude Barnes
Birth Date: abt 1897
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1961
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: Heywood
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10c
Page: 400

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Apr 2013 14:09

Hello Ronald, you're going to have to buy a copy of that death certificate to see what it says about her - I posted the reference above.

You can order from GRO, costs £9.25
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Apr 2013 19:38

Hi Ronald - absolutely nothing to be sorry about! :-)

mgnv

mgnv Report 26 Apr 2013 05:20

This is the only possibility for a sis-in-law that I can see:
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1917
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
OSWALD John BURTONWOOD Elizabeth Hilton Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registar Attended Manchester CHO_RM/258/20

Might she be a cousin of your gran?

Ronald

Ronald Report 11 May 2013 13:23

right death cert has arrived
elizabeth,s maiden name was whitehead she was buried an oswald but i cant find a marriage for them
:-S

Ronald

Ronald Report 12 May 2013 22:27

Note on Elizabeth's death cert reads no 257 col. 2 for Elizabeth Oswald read Elizabeth Oswald otherwise whitehead col 4 for66 read 67col 5for widow of Walter oswald labourer corporation read (looks like wife)of john james whitehead retired bakers assistant corrected on the 7th August 1963 by mr m hayhurst deputy superintendent registrar on production of a satisfactory declaration made by john james whitehead and Emma white head .
That's as near as I can make out the addition ??? I need help :-S

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 12 May 2013 23:24

that makes it look like she never married Walter Oswald. there is this marriage

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1918
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WHITEHEAD John James HOLT Elizabeth Dearnley, St Andrews Rochdale CE37/2/68

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 May 2013 23:25

????

Marriages Jun 1918
Holt Elizabeth Whitehead Rochdale 8e 13
Whitehead John J Holt Rochdale 8e 13

Edit LancashireAnn beat me to it - and with more detail :-)

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 May 2013 23:31

So Elizabeth was linked with Gertrude's brother Walter, but they never married officially?

Her death was registered as Oswald, but then the Whiteheads stepped in and corrected the record?

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 May 2013 23:33

is this the same death indexed under Whitehead?

Slight difference in age from the Oswald registration.

Name: Elizabeth Whitehead
Birth Date: abt 1895
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1962
Age at Death: 67
Registration district: Bury
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 796a

Ronald

Ronald Report 12 May 2013 23:35

Thanks for the info folks I think it may be the fact that john james made a declaration in 1963 one year after Elizabeth was buried and he was with an Emma that Elizabeth had left him at some stage in her life and moved in with Walter , just guessing but I see no other way of finding out
Thank you for at least looking
Regards
Ronnie :-D

Ronald

Ronald Report 12 May 2013 23:39

Kucinta
I believe that entry to be the very same person then after the surname to have been changed with a declaration by john james

mgnv

mgnv Report 13 May 2013 02:03

John's action in changing the d.cert smacks of an ott possessiveness to me - I think she made a smart move in leaving him and taking up with Walter.