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LittleDee

LittleDee Report 25 Apr 2013 14:26

born 1870? - 1952 Wigan Lancashire
spouse Eliza Cash any help aprreciated :-)
H
Still searching for more details. Birth certificate states father unknown- mother Ellen Brown.
Thanks to Polly for all the information she's gathered for me and also to all my friends who have helped me in the past. :-S :-S

Potty

Potty Report 25 Apr 2013 14:35

What exactly are you looking for , Dee?

Potty

Potty Report 25 Apr 2013 14:36

Is this them in 1911:

1911 England Census
about William Brown
Name: William Brown
Age in 1911: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Lower Morris St Wigan
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner Hewer
Registration district: Wigan
Registration District Number: 458
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 22974
Household Members: Name Age
William Brown 41
Eliza Brown 43
Alice Brown 19
Bertha Brown 17
John Brown 15
Hary Brown 15
William Brown 9
Irabella Brown

Married 22 years

Reggie

Reggie Report 25 Apr 2013 14:39

You haven't said what you want........no point in anyone giving you info you already have.

That would waste their time, and yours

Potty

Potty Report 25 Apr 2013 14:40

Their marriage (from Lancashire bmd):

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1889
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CASH Eliza BROWN William St. Thomas, Wigan Wigan & Leigh

Potty

Potty Report 25 Apr 2013 14:40

Reggie is right, Dee. Please tell us all that you know and what info you are looking for.

Fredk

Fredk Report 25 Apr 2013 14:51



1881 Census Household Record
Household Information
Address 135, Great George Street
Parish Wigan
District Wigan, Wigan
Administrative County Lancashire
Householder 1
Name John Brown
Age 45
Estimated Year of Birth 1836
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Blacksmith
Birth Place Wigan
Birth County Lancashire
Householder 2
Name Elizabeth Brown
Age 44
Estimated Year of Birth 1837
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Wigan
Birth County Lancashire
Householder 3
Name Joseph Brown
Age 18
Estimated Year of Birth 1863
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Factory Operative
Birth Place Wigan
Birth County Lancashire
Householder 4
Name John Brown
Age 13
Estimated Year of Birth 1868
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Wigan
Birth County Lancashire
Householder 5
Name Mary Brown
Age 11
Estimated Year of Birth 1870
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Factory Operative
Birth Place Wigan
Birth County Lancashire
Householder 6
Name William Brown
Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1872
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Wigan
Birth County Lancashire

Fredk

Fredk Report 25 Apr 2013 14:55


1891 Census Household Record
Household Information
Address 7, Appleton Street
Parish Wigan
District Wigan, Wigan
Administrative County Lancashire
Householder 1
Name William Brown
Age 22
Estimated Year of Birth 1869
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Coal Miner
Birth Place Wigan
Birth County Lancashire
Householder 2
Name Eliza Brown
Age 23
Estimated Year of Birth 1868
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place West Bromwich
Birth County Staffordshire
Householder 3
Name John Brown
Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1890
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Wigan
Birth County Lancashire

Fredk

Fredk Report 25 Apr 2013 14:58



1901 Census Household Record
Household information
Address 15 Dobbs Fold
Civil Parish Wigan
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish Wigan St Thomas
Parliamentary Borough or Division Wigan
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Wigan
Administrative County Lancashire
Householder 1
Name Albert Brown
Relation to Head of Family Grand Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 2
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Wigan
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Ellen Brown
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 33
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Wigan
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name George Brown
Relation to Head of Family Grand Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 0
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name John Brown
Relation to Head of Family Grand Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 12
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Wigan
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Joseph Brown
Relation to Head of Family Grand Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 10
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Wigan
Language
Infirmity
Householder 6
Name Mary Ellen Brown
Relation to Head of Family Grand Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 4
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Wigan
Language
Infirmity
Householder 7
Name William Brown
Relation to Head of Family Son In Law
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 33
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Coal Mine Hewer
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Wigan
Language
Infirmity
Householder 8
Name William Brown
Relation to Head of Family Grand Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 8
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Wigan
Language
Infirmity
Householder 9
Name Mark Wash
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Widower
Age Last Birthday 57
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation General Lab Gl
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Pemberton
Language
Infirmity
Householder 10
Name Saran Ann Wash
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 70
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Cotton Weaver
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Wigan
Language
Infirmity

Fredk

Fredk Report 25 Apr 2013 15:18



Marriage Record
Name William Brown
Year of Marriage 1889
Quarter of Marriage Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Wigan
Registration County Lancashire
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912
Volume Number 8C
Volume Page 122

Spouse Match

William Brown married one of the people below:

Eliza CASH View
Blanche WHALLEY View
James SHAWEBOSE View

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

mgnv

mgnv Report 25 Apr 2013 16:00

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Marriage: 3 Aug 1889 St Thomas, Wigan, Lancs.
William Brown - 20 years, Collier, Bachelor, 6 Lows Row off School Lane
Eliza Cash - 21 years, Spinster, 7 Appleton Street
Groom's Father: Peter Brown, deceased
Bride's Father: John Cash, deceased
Witness: Robert Brown; Mary Carroll
Married by Banns by: Richard Tebbs, Curate
Register: Marriages 1888 - 1896, Page 27, Entry 54
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/stuff/cemetery.php?opt=cemetery
Surname Forename Age Place of Death Date Year Notes Grave Cremation Religion
Brown Eliza 73 yrs 4 Withnall St. 18-Feb 1941 Q 617 C of E
Brown William 82 Yrs Withnall St 12-Feb 1952 Q 617 C of E
Mitchinson Isabella 37 yrs 4 Withnall St. 02-Apr 1941 Q 617 C of E
[These are burial dates]

Fredk

Fredk Report 25 Apr 2013 16:21

I think we need some feedback from the poster in case we are wasting our time

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 26 Apr 2013 15:25

Fairly new poster - friendly message re how to return to thread sent. :-)

LittleDee

LittleDee Report 26 Apr 2013 16:02

thank you every body. The information I hold about William is sketchy at best. He was the father of my grandmother Bertha Swift nee Brown.
I had obtained his death certificate - died in 1952 working back born in approx 1970.
on searching his marriage found out that he was married in Wigan 1989.

I requested from Wigan registrar office his marriage and birth certificate. They rang me back yesterday to ssay they could not find the marriage certificate even though I had given the reference no. Said they had found his birth certificate but father was unknown.
thank youn for the info that you have given.
Dee :-0

Potty

Potty Report 29 Apr 2013 11:02

Dee, this is the marriage from Lancashire bmd:

CASH Eliza BROWN William St. Thomas, Wigan Wigan & Leigh C11/5/54

Was this the ref you quoted? Any way, you have his marriage above. Giving a deceased father was often a way of covering up illegitimacy. How sure are you that the birth cert you have is the correct one? From the marriage, he could have been born in 1869 and there three 1869 Wigan births that could be his.

Potty

Potty Report 29 Apr 2013 11:09

Dee, have you found Bertha with her parents on any census? If so, please can you post the details. When and where was she born?

Potty

Potty Report 29 Apr 2013 11:22

Assuming his father's name is correct on the marriage cert, this could be him in 1871 - notice that he has a brother Robert and a Robert Brown was a witness on the marriage:

1871 England Census
about William Brown
Name: William Brown
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Peter Brown
Mother's Name: Charlotte Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Georges
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 243
Piece: 3884
Folio: 93
Page Number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Brown 37
Charlotte Brown 37
Ann Brown 15
Robert Brown 13
Mary I Brown 6
Isabella Brown 4
William Brown 2
Robert Brown 40

The same family in 1871:

1881 England Census
about Isabel Brown
Name: Isabel Brown
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Peter Brown
Mother's Name: Charlotte Brown
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 46 Boyswell Lane
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3762
Folio: 105
Page Number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Brown 48
Charlotte Brown 49
My. J. Brown 16
Isabel Brown 13
Will. Brown 12
Alice Brown 9
Joseph Brown 7


Potty

Potty Report 29 Apr 2013 11:28

Lancashire bmd has this birth:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1869
BROWN William Wigan Wigan & Leigh FAIRHURST WIG/89/478

and this marriage:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1852
BROWN Peter FAIRHURST Charlotte All Saints, Wigan Wigan & Leigh C33/11/331

Potty

Potty Report 29 Apr 2013 11:40

On one of the censuses, William gives his POB as Pemberton Lane, Upholland. What address is on the birth cert you have?

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 29 Apr 2013 15:10

there was a Peter Brown (collier) who died 1889 in School Lane Wigan age 55 - probate to Robert Brown - there was a Robert Brown witness on William's marriage

may be worth applying for that will