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GHeather

GHeather Report 12 May 2013 16:23

I have a Sophia Orme in my family tree, she married Samuel Wall. I think she was born abt 1821, in the London area, they got married about 1839 in Whitechapel, I think. her parents were: Henry Orme, and perhaps Hannah ? Need someone to confirm this and perhaps go back a bit further from Henry and Hannah... Who were Samuel Wall parents ? He was born abt 1819 in Shoreditch or nearby area. (Henry Orme was born abt 1801.)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 May 2013 16:27

You say marriage "about 1839" - have you checked on FreeBMD?

Think it must be this one anyhow:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Sophia Orme - a minor
Spouse Name: Samuel Wall - full age. An iron dealer
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Jul 1839
Parish: Spitalfields Christ Church with St Mary and St Stephen
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Henry Orme - bedstead maker
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Wall - iron dealer
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither married before, both give address as Montague Street.

Witnesses Henry Orme and Martha Wall.

Everyone signed "x"

GHeather

GHeather Report 12 May 2013 16:32

Yes, that is them, thanks MarieC. :-) I have some info, but need help with the details.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 May 2013 16:36

I'm not too sure about this baptism, but am posting if just for elimination:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Sophia Ann Orne [Sophia Ann Orme]
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Jun 1823
Father's Name: Henry Orne - Dyer
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Orne
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: Wick Hy

Baptised same day was a sibling Henry Philip.

There's a note in the margin that says "reported born 1 October 1820" - it looks like this refers to both siblings.

What I'm not sure about is the father's occupation.

GHeather

GHeather Report 12 May 2013 16:36

So, Samuel Wall father was also called Samuel Wall, who did he marry ?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 May 2013 16:39

You mentioned possible parents of Henry and Hannah, found this:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Daniel Orme
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 May 1821
Father's Name: Henry Orme - labourer
Mother's Name: Hannah Orme
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

The address is Wick Hy, same as the baptism above.

But, what is odd that this baptism is 1821 and the other 2 were 1823 baptisms of babies reportedly born 1820. Why would you have one baptised that was born in the interim and not the other 2? (Unless this one wasn't expected to survive).

Also, there are 2 different mother's names - did Henry remarry?

Or is it all just coincidence with the names?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 May 2013 16:40

Gheather - if you want further help could you remove the "marked as answered" tick as it indicates the thread is finished on the main page.

GHeather

GHeather Report 12 May 2013 16:45

Thanks for the above, yes, seems to be my link. How do I remove 'marked as answered' ? First time I've tried it.

GHeather

GHeather Report 12 May 2013 16:48

Daniel Orme must be a brother of Sophia Orme.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 May 2013 16:50

Graham - if you go to your very first post there should be a purple button that says "mark this as unanswered" - click that.

It's a bit daft the way it works, it would seem to make sense to click on a response that has answered your query BUT it marks the whole thread as answered if you look on the main board index.

GHeather

GHeather Report 12 May 2013 16:52

Ok thanks, I will try it MC. :-) All done, 'no mess I hope' lol

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 May 2013 16:54

According to a tree on Ancestry, Henry Orme and Hannah Bent were the parents of the Henry Orme b1799 who married Elizabeth Binns and fathered Sophia.

The Daniel baptism is Sophia's uncle, not her sibling.

As they all seemed to marry young, it's quite feasible.

GHeather

GHeather Report 12 May 2013 16:58

So, Sophia Orme parents were: Henry Orme and Elizabeth Binns. Henry Orme parents were: Henry Orme and Hannah Bent, not sure if I like that surname lol

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 May 2013 17:02

I wish they could have been a bit more original with their kids names, our Henrys could get very muddled!

Baptism of Sophia's father?

London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Henry Orme
Baptism Date: 10 Nov 1799
Parish: St John at Hackney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Parent(s): Henry Orme, Hannah Orme
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register

GHeather

GHeather Report 12 May 2013 17:07

Samuel Wall father was also Samuel Wall who married ?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 May 2013 17:12

Not finding that marriage yet, perhaps the witness of Martha Wall might be a clue? (But it could be a sibling).

GHeather

GHeather Report 12 May 2013 17:37

Martha Wall I've seen her mentioned in a connection with my family line... yes, she was one of the children of Samuel Wall and Sophia Orme, just remembered. Regarding the surname: Bent could it be Bates or Bennett ?

GHeather

GHeather Report 12 May 2013 17:40

So, MC at this moment we are pretty sure Sophia Orme parents were: Henry Orme and Elizabeth Binns.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 May 2013 17:44

GH - look again at the marriage I posted above for Samuel Wall and Sophia Orme, one of the witnesses was a Martha Wall. That couldn't be their daughter!

I can't vouch for the accuracy of that Ancestry tree I mentioned. If you're not a member of that site then you can join the sister site Mundia, you have to register but it's free.
http://www.mundia.com/gb/

On there, you can search and view public Ancestry trees and also contact tree owners. You could give that a try and ask the tree owner where they got their information from. They have no sources attached for the Henry Orme/Elizabeth Binns marriage, nor the Henry Orme/Hannah Bent (why would the name be something else, that is a proper surname?)

GHeather

GHeather Report 12 May 2013 17:47

Ok thanks for the info MC.