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Bearing in mind the 1841 census rounded everyone's age down, he may have lopped 10 years off his age as his wife was rather younger than him. I've come to believe men are even worse than women lying about their ages ;-)

There looks to be 3 deaths in Preston that could be possible if he were 64/66 in 1851 -

1854 age 69
1862 age 73 (think this may have already been eliminated??)
1865 age 79

I know it's been suggested that they moved between Preston and Blackburn, but John didn't seem to move anywhere and his son-in-law/daughter were still in Preston in 1861 - Benjamin died there age 45.

Ann appears to have the Dewhurst Preston burials from censearch - so maybe she can check out those 3.

I agree that it looks more like age 66 on the image - aged 21 years since 1841?? It's no wonder he is difficult to pin down.

When I can next get to the Lancs archives I will see if I can find a pre 1858 will for John.

Just been looking back to see if we've missed anything, and had another look at the 1851 census image. I'm not convinced the age says 61, although that is how it is transcribed - it looks more like 64 or 66 to me.

Take a look, I know that would throw the age in 1841 - but maybe he lied to narrow the age gap as his wife was on 35 ish. It would also change the search parameters for finding his death.

If he is older than originally thought that would favour the christening in Leyland posted earlier in the thread - mother Jane, abode Clayton.

Added: Just looked at the opening post, and you had John age 66 on the 1851 census & I think FMP have transcribed it as 64.

I think the John born Blackburn is the son of Roger/Susannah, christened 1/4/38, whereas "our" John was christened 27/3/39. The death posted by Ann looks likely, the other John was still with his parents in 1851.

Think you are right to doubt John (Snr) parentage on those trees.

Gosh a lot of catching up to do. You have been so busy while I was sleeping.

I think these must be the same Thomas
Burial: 25 Dec 1870 St Wilfrid, Ribchester, Lancashire, England
Thomas Dewhurst -
Age: 33
Abode: Blackburn
Grave: Old Yard?
Buried by: R. H. Townley
Register: Burials 1859 - 1890, Page 85, Entry 680
Source: LDS Film 9402

Lancashire BMD
1870 Thomas age 33, Blackburn

I have John Dewhurst christened March 27, 1839, St Johns Preston. son of John occ. overlooker & Betty 4 Bolton St. (Not carder).
I looked for him on the 1851 census as I didn't know of his death in 1848.

"The trouble is there seems to be some flitting between Preston & the Blackburn"

There certainly does.

(and still are) These Dewhurst ancestors are a pain why were there so many with the same names in and around Preston. I suppose though if it was simple there would be no satisfaction of what we have achieved.

I had a look on Ancestry but of course didn't get anywhere with not being a subscriber anymore. I did notice that there are now quite a few that say John is the son of James and Jane Greenall, mmmmmmmm still I'm not convinced :-S as Clyton isn't Ribchester and one would think that one of the children would have been called James or Jane after them.
I shall have a good look at www.mundia.com/us/ maybe that will answer some questions.

Thank you again
Ann

Yes, it could be John's death, but maybe Ann has already eliminated or confirmed it. Will have to wait for confirmation from her. She appears to have checked the burial records.

Ann, like you say too many Dewhursts around to be really sure of anything! :-S

another straw

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1848
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
DEWHURST John 10 Preston Preston PRES/37/65

The trouble is there seems to be some flitting between Preston & the Blackburn area

the John son of John & Eliz (Blezard) was born Blackburn area in 1838 - or was that one the son of Roger & Suzanna (blezard)??????????

yes it was - I agree I was clutching at straws. I did not think that Catherine was that common a name at that time. Why did so many seem to marry a Dewhurst, as if there was not enough Dewhursts in the Preston area to complicate things - still are!!

Ann, was the birth you found for John? It's just that it was in Accrington, (which came under Haslingden reg district) but Catherine died in Preston in Q2/57 - not impossible, but is it likely?

this is another Thomas/Catherine marriage which could also be the Catherine who died 1857 - there was a son born 1857

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DEWHURST Thomas READ Catherine Blackburn, St Mary the Virgin (Blackburn Cathedral) Blackburn CE12/13/363

can't find any other Dewhurst/Read births after 1857

There are 2 Dewhurst/Gregory births, Alice 1858 and Jane 1861 - but they are with parents William & Sarah in 1861 - and with Sarah and her mother in 1871. (Sarah married for the third time, her mother called Mary Gregory.)

So, it looks likely Thomas/Catharine did not have children locally, or one of them died and the other re-married?? Or they emigrated?
:-S

you are right about the Catherine in the 1861 census you posted Flip.

lancsbmd shows on both children's birth reg mmn = Bibby

There were a lot of Dewhursts in the Chlitheroe & Ribchester areas

Not seeing Thomas after the marriage, so don't know what happened to them - other than there is a death for a Catherine Dewhurst in Preston 1857, age 23 which could be her.

Have you any idea what happened to the other son John (1839) not mentioned since the 1841 census?

I'm pretty sure the 1861 census I posted for Thomas/Catherine is the wrong family. There was another marriage in 1855 in Wigan for Thomas Dewhurst and Catherine Bibby - which I think the census relates to.

"Cotton shipper" might be "cotton stripper", which was an engineering job, according to this:

http://www.andrewalston.co.uk/cottonindustryjobs.html.

And there's this:
"Strippers and grinders were among the highest paid operatives in the carding sector. "
http://www.spinningtheweb.org.uk/m_display.php?irn=21&sub=working&theme=people&crumb=Mill+workers

Hi Ann,

Not sure if you are aware of this, but you don't need ancestry sub to view the public member trees, use their other site - you need to register, but it's free.

http://www.mundia.com/us/

Dave hasn't got anywhere with John, but he has quite a lot on William and his 2 wives.

The marriage for Thomas does look likely, although age is out - he possibly lied because he would have been a minor - and younger than his wife - and just kept up the pretence. Both his and William's occupations in 1851 were what looks like Cotton Shipper but not sure on the second word so not sure where mechanic came from either.

It gives me so much peace of mind when someone else is helping, when your doing it and getting nowhere, you come to think "have I missed something or have I gone wrong somewhere"

I had contacted David Pennington in the past, he has been looking for the illusive John Dewhurst also, I'm sure he won't mind but I shall ask permission to view where he is up to with them.
I'm no longer with Ancestry, I changed to Findmypast.

The occupation Manager on William & Ellen's marriage threw me into a spin, as I didn't know about William's 2nd marriage until the censuses came on line, I was just looking for John occupation carder.
Now if I had done it correctly by Working Backwards, I would have been looking for William, birth 1835 with father John occupation Manager.

Quite puzzling Thomas's age is 3 years out and born Clitheroe, that's a worry, also his occupation was a mechanic not a carder as he was on this census in 1861.
Sending for the marriage cert. won't give me any more information than what I have ??

William died in 1866 living in Eccles, Manchester.

Thank you, for all your support.

Ann

to show the Dewhurst / Aisworth connection

1871 living in Over Darwen


Name Age
William Dewhurst 36
Ellen Dewhurst 42
Elizabeth Jane Dewhurst 14
Cornelius Dewhurst 13
Arthur Dewhurst 10
Sarah A Ainsworth 9
Alfred Ernest Ainsworth 6

A tree belonging to DavePennington1 on ancestry has copies of both of William's marriage certificates - on the 1867 one to Ellen he does not state deceased for his father.

If you don't have a sub, you can view the tree through Mundia - there is quite a lot of documentation attached.

But I realize from your initial post you already have this marriage.

None of this get's you closer to finding his birth or death. :-(

is this William's 1st marriage?

Marriage: 28 Jul 1855 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
William Dewhurst - 20, Carder, Bachelor, Dover St.
Margaret Finch - (X), 22, Weaver, Spinster, Golden Square
Groom's Father: John Dewhurst, Carder
Bride's Father: John Finch, Watchmaker
Witness: George Addison; Mary Noblett, (X)

what connects the 2nd marriage in Darwen to your family please?