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Hello, Fanny thank you for all this information,this is a great help,with Hannorah & all her var,s ways of spelling her name, may be oneday I will find out, Julia had two more children Joseph born 1916 & Denis born 1922 ( died 6/3/1945 R C A F pilot officer age 23 buried in brookwood cemetery in Surrey ) . Geoffrey Walter.

Here are Julia and family.They are mistranscribed on Ancestry 1911 Canada census..



1911 Census of Canada about Julia Kingson
Name: Julia Kingson
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 37
Birth Date: Jan 1880
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Michael Kingson
Immigration Year: 1907
Tribal: Irish
Province: Ontario
District: Toronto South
District Number: 127
Sub-District: Ward two
Sub-District Number: 13
Place of Habitation: 9 Wilkins Ave
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Kingson 34
Julia Kingson 37
Michael Kingson 9
Catherine Kingson 7
Julia Kingson 3
William Moore 45
Thomas Gollier 26


I have put in a Surname correction on it.


And 1916.

1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta about Julia Ringrose
Name: Julia Ringrose
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 37
Est. Birth Year: 1879
Birthplace: England
Year of Immigration: 1906
Home in 1916: 03C, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
Address: 1019, Ave, J
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Relation to Head of Household: Wife
Spouse's Name: Michel Ringrose
Sub District Desc.: (A - I) City of Saskatoon
Household Members:
Name Age
Michel Ringrose 40
Julia Ringrose 37
Mick Ringrose 14
Catherine Ringrose 12
Jillian Ringrose 7
Elizabeth Ringrose 4
Margaret Ringrose

I am sorry it seems to have turned out to be the wrong birth cert...I really thought it would be the right one..

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Julia Ringrose
Name: Julia Ringrose
Gender: Female
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Date of Arrival: 29 Jun 1907
Vessel: Canada
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Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-490

Travelling with Husband Michael age 31
Son Michael age 5 and
daughter Katherine age 2

Hi,honaro,birth certificate came today,1c-60,the father is Patrick & the mother is Mary Maiden name hard to read ,but not duggan ( it is hard to tell which spelling is the right one Honaro/Honuro ) ,thank all for you support, I do have a possible link for a Sister who went to Canada,between 1902-1910, ( Julia,who married Micheal Ringrose in Fulham ,I will let you what comes out of it.Geoffreywalter.

thank you for your reply,i had thought about this , i will order it as it is.geoffrey walter.

Make sure that you give the name exactly as it is shown on their index and NOT how you think it should be !!

Dea Xxx

hello ,yes I gave the reference number & the year ,but I miss out the quarter ,I will try again,thank you for pointing it out.geoffrey walter.

I really do think that the birth record posted by Fanny will be the correct one :

Births Jun 1866
Ryan Honaro London C 1c 60
RYAN Honuro London C. 1c 60

I don't know why the GRO cannot find it as it is on their index! :-S

Did you give them the reference number, year and quarter and the name just as it was recorded on the index??

Dea x

thank you for replying, I will go for her baptism ,thank you .Geoffrey walter.

Until 1875, there were no penalties in England/Wales for not registering births, which meant that many of them went unrecorded

The one certainty is that she would have been baptized..............

thank you for your help,gro unable to find any entry on her between 1866-1868, I am going to checkout the irish records, again thank you for help you have given me. Geoffrey walter.

Thank you.

yes iwill let you know.geoffreywalter.

Please would you come back to this post and let us know if it is her birth certificate or not when you have it Geoffrey??

We do like to know if we have solved something or not.. :-)

thankyou for the information on my great-granmother & yes i will order her birth cert,sorry for clicking on your name,thankyou all for the help given. geoffreywalter.

Don't take too much notice of slight discrepancies in recorded ages.

People weren't as age-obsessed then as they are now.

Your best bet is to obtain the cert of the birth posted above, and check the father's details. It tallies exactly with the 1891 census for the woman.

Hi just checked her marriage certificate age given is 23 being born 1867 , but she died in 1909 4th qtr birth as 1863 age of death is given as 46 ,the 1911 census gives her husband being widowed,the 1901 census has nora ryan born 1867 but as a sister my niece & i belive this could be a mistake ? ,& the 1891 census gives her being 24 yrs old born 1867 her name being nora ryan fulham london. geoffreywalter.

Places of birth on the 1881. If she came after Kate, she was probably born in England not Ireland.


1881 census transcription details for: 41, Crown Str, Fulham
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 69
Folio: 96
Page: 18
Reg. District: Fulham
Sub District: Fulham
Parish: Fulham
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 41, Crown Str, Fulham
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
RYAN, James Head Married M 38 1843 Bricklayers Labourer
Ireland
RYAN, Mary Wife Married F 35 1846 Laundress
Ireland
RYAN, Michael Son Single M 18 1863 Bricklayers Labourer
Ireland
RYAN, Kate Daughter Single F 17 1864 Unemployed
At Sea
RYAN, Julia Daughter Single F 0 1881
Fulham, Middlesex
WALLACE, Richard Lodger Single M 57 1824 Bricklayers Labourer
Chelsea, Middlesex
GUINEY, Jerry Lodger Single M 20 1861 Labourer In Gas Facty
Cork, Ireland
DOHARTY, James Lodger Single M 20 1861 General Labourer
Cork, Ireland
GALLAGHER, Thomas Lodger Single M 28 1853 General Labourer
Mayo, Ireland


Possible for Kate??

Register of BMDs at sea: birth
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Name: RYAN,
Sex: Female
Date of birth: 4 April 1863
Father's name: Jas Ryan
Father's occupation:
Mother's name: Mary Ryan
Ship's name: Hemisphere

thankyou all the information sent,i will have to check it all out along with my niece in australia,i do have her death as recorded in fulham 1909,& the 1911 census given my great-granfather harry wright as being widowed & staying with one of his married brothers. geoffreywalter.

???
Tried this birth??

Births Jun 1866
Ryan Honaro London C 1c 60
RYAN Honuro London C. 1c 60