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William Martin (1847) and his family

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stephen

stephen Report 16 Jun 2013 11:11

I’m researching the family of my great grandparents William Martin (1847) and Emma Reader (1851) and have the following children listed:

Francis and James, both born 1876 (were they twins?), Emma (1877), Charles (1879), William (1881), George (1883), Walter (1886), Henry (1888), John (1893) and Esther (1896).

We know all about William junior who is our grandfather. He joined the army in 1898 and changed his name to Marden when the family was living at 13 Felton Street, Hoxton. We have his army records confirming this, and also the fact that he returned to the later family address at 15 Seaford Road, Tottenham, when he left the army in 1924.

We would be very interested to know any details of William senior's children who were the brothers and sisters of our granddad, and also to know which members of the family (if any) were still living in Seaford Road when he moved there in 1924. William senior was recorded there with wife Emma, Walter, John and Esther in the 1911 census.

Margee

Margee Report 16 Jun 2013 11:20

The family in 1881?

1881 England Census
about William Martin Name: William Martin
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Martin
Gender: Male
Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 159 Albany Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Brass Finisher

Registration District: Camberwell
Sub-registration District: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 693
Folio: 138
Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
William Martin 34
Emma Martin 30
Frank Martin 5
Emma Martin 4
Charles Martin 2



MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Jun 2013 11:20

Background:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1319927

Potty

Potty Report 16 Jun 2013 11:21

Stephen already has a thread about this family, although not the same query:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1319927?page=1

Potty

Potty Report 16 Jun 2013 11:38

This seems to be the 1881 family in 1891 - but Frank now seems to be James W!
1891 England Census
about William Martin
Name: William Martin
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation:
Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Martin
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch

Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
Registration District: Shoreditch
Sub-registration District: Hoxton Old Town

William Martin 42
Emma Martin 39
James W Martin 15
Emma Martin 14
Charles J Martin 12
William Martin 9
George Martin 7
Walter Martin 5
Henry Martin 3
Alfred Martin 9/12


MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Jun 2013 11:47

1901 for our reference:

MARTIN, William Head Married M 53 1848 Brass Finisher St Lukes, London
MARTIN, Emma Wife Married F 50 1851 Northfleet, Kent
MARTIN, Charles Son Single M 22 1879 General Labourer Hoxton, London
MARTIN, George Son Single M 17 1884 Timber Carman Hoxton, London
MARTIN, Henry Son Single M 13 1888 Hoxton, London
MARTIN, John Son Single M 8 1893 Walthamstow, Essex
MARTIN, Esther Daughter Single F 5 1896 Hoxton, London
BALLINGER, Emma Boarder Married F 23 1878 Jet Worker Bermondsey, Surrey
MARTIN, Walter Son Single M 15 1886 Van Guard Hoxton, London

Piece: 276 Folio: 156 Page: 24
Registration District: Shoreditch
Civil Parish: Shoreditch

Address: 13, Felton Street, Shoreditch County: London

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Jun 2013 12:02

Walter's baptism:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Walter Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Oct 1885 - born 16 September
Father's Name: William Martin - brass finisher
Mother's Name: Emma Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St Saviour
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 14 Felton street.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Jun 2013 12:09

Some more:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Charles John Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 7 Mar 1879 - born 10 Feb
Father's Name: William Martin - Brass finisher
Mother's Name: Emma Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 3 Bristow Street

Baptised the same day was sister Emma, born 6 February 1877
............................................................................................................

Looks like your grandfather had a middle name:

Name: William George Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 Sep 1883 - born 21 May 1881
Father's Name: William Martin - Brass Finisher
Mother's Name: Emma Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St Saviour
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address 13 Felton Street

Baptised the same day was brother George born 2 September 1883
.................................................................................................................

Name: Alfred Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Jul 1891 - born 19 June 1891
Father's Name: William Martin - Brass Finisher
Mother's Name: Emma Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St Saviour
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 13 Felton Street
...................................................................................................................

Name: Johns Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 Nov 1892 (no birth date given)
Father's Name: William Martin - Brass Finisher
Mother's Name: Emma Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St Saviour
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 13 Felton Street

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Jun 2013 12:37

I think this is the parents in 1924:

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name: William Martin
Year: 1924
County or Borough: Haringey
Ward or Division/Constituency: Tottenham

At 15 Seaford Road with Emma Martin and an Amelia Fletcher.

EDIT: It's also just those three names there in 1928

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Jun 2013 12:43

This looks like your grandfather in 1928

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name: William Marden
Year: 1928
County or Borough: Haringey
Ward or Division/Constituency: Tottenham North
Street Address: 105 Devonshire Hill Lane

Ellen Marden is at the same address

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Jun 2013 12:46

With parents in 1927

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name: William Marden
Year: 1927
County or Borough: Haringey
Ward or Division/Constituency: Tottenham South
Street Address: 15 Seaford Road

Ellen is there, and also William and Emma Martin

stephen

stephen Report 16 Jun 2013 13:19

Thanks for the help so far, much appreciated.

Great news to find who was still living at 15 Seaford Road after our grandfather (William Marden) moved there in 1924. So, we have now established that William Martin (senior) was still alive in 1928, as was Emma.

William junior (Marden) and his wife Ellen, together with their children, moved to 105 Devonshire Hil Lane in 1927. We know all about him and his family from then onwards but we are mostly interested in his brothers and sisters.

We do know that Esther died in Romford in 1974 but nothing much of the other siblings. Are there any other branches of the Martin family out there who can throw more light on our grand aunts and uncles?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Jun 2013 14:00

Stephen, just to clarify how the boards work (I think it may already have been mentioned). None of us who post information on these boards are connected to the families of the people who we are helping (or if we ever are, it's just a huge coincidence).

If you want to connect with people who share the family members then you need to use "Search All Trees" - it's under Search on the menu above. If you find any matches then send a message to the member stating what the connection is.

You need to do some more research yourself using BMD records and following them up on the census. Granted, that's a bit more difficult post 1911 so finding death records and working back from them can help.

stephen

stephen Report 16 Jun 2013 14:31

Thanks Marie Celeste,

I was just hoping that others of the family tree branches might be members also searching here. I've now found a couple of matches in Search All Trees and sent messages. it also looks like William Martin's death is registered at Wandsworth in 1928, according to the BMD registers.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Jun 2013 14:51

That death could be a good fit Stephen

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Emma Martin
Year: 1930
County or Borough: Haringey
Ward or Division/Constituency: Tottenham South
Street Address: 15 Seaford Road

Just Emma with Katherine Amelia Fletcher (who I guess is the Amelia Fletcher from the earlier ER).

EDIT: William is still with them on the 1929 ER, but I guess it depends on when the info was compiled.

You'd really need to check more death records to be sure and perhaps get a certificate for verification.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 16 Jun 2013 22:29

Stephen

I told you on your other thread that your chances of a member of your family unit "just passing by" and seeing your questions are very slim


There are over 11 million members of GR (possibly over 12 million, by now).

A very small fraction of those ever look at the Community Boards or use the Search facility ...... I personally think 1000 looking and using the Boards would be a generous estimate.


Thus ................. YOU have to do the searching yourself.


As I said on your other thread ...................


go to Search in the top right of your screen.

Click on Search

Click on Search All Trees in the drop down box

Enter one of your names in the Search Box, and click Submit


Hopefully, there will be at least 1 tree with that name.

THEN, you have to send a message asking the tree owner if there is any connection between you ....... explain very carefully and lclearly how and why you think there is a connection.

Remember ............ many people do not, and will not, respond to the automatic "Please share your tree with me" request. Be sure to turn that off before sending your message.

stephen

stephen Report 17 Jun 2013 19:45

Thank you Silvia, You will see above that I have now explored other members trees and now going through BMD lists.

Reggie

Reggie Report 28 Nov 2013 08:58

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/tips_board/thread/1334536