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david

david Report 12 Jul 2013 21:41

my relative alice monk had banns read 3 times

Banns: St Peter, Chorley, Lancashire, England
James Yates - St Peters
Alice Monk - St George's
First Reading: 19 Mar 1871; Read By: G. S. Jellicoe
Second Reading: 26 Mar 1871; Read By: G. S. Jellicoe
Third Reading: 2 Apr 1871; Read By: G. S. Jellicoe
Register: Banns 1854 - 1895, Page 42, Entry 206
Source: LDS Film 1517686

Alice Monk - St George's
First Reading: 19 Mar 1871; Read By: G. S. Jellicoe
Second Reading: 26 Mar 1871; Read By: G. S. Jellicoe
Third Reading: 2 Apr 1871; Read By: G. S. Jellicoe
Register: Banns 1854 - 1895, Page 42, Entry 206
Source: LDS Film 1517686

but i cant find her marriage or any mention on the census

alice monk bap 6/2/1853
st peter and st paul ormskirk
abode scarth hill
parents lawrence and elizabeth monk
lawrence earthenware dealer

they are a "difficult" family any help much appreciated

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Jul 2013 21:50

Perhaps for some reason they didn't go through with it.

Have you followed this one up?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Alice Monk
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1877
Registration District: Ormskirk
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 1076

Records on Page:
Name
Edward Huyton
Alice Monk

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Jul 2013 22:02

Chorley is a long way from Ormskirk..............are you sure it's the same Alice?

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Jul 2013 22:05

No Alice..............

1861 census


Person: MONK, Laurence Address: Ravens Wood, Ulnes Walton

MONK, Laurence Head Married M 41 1820 Earthenware Dealer
Longton, Lancashire VIEW
MONK, Elizabeth Wife Married F 41 1820 Earthenware Dealer
Riby Green, Lancashire VIEW
MONK, Flora Daughter Unmarried F 17 1844 Earthenware Dealer
Latham, Lancashire VIEW
MONK, Ann Daughter F 13 1848 Earthenware Dealer
Latham, Lancashire VIEW
MONK, Mary Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar
Latham, Lancashire VIEW
MONK, Margaret Daughter F 3 1858
Eccleston, Lancashire VIEW
MONK, Elizabeth Daughter F 1 1860
Ulnes Walton, Lancashire VIEW

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 12 Jul 2013 22:05

1881 ?

Name: Alice Hington
[Alice Huyton]
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ormskirk, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Ormskirk
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 19 Wigan Road
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Dressmaker

Registration District: Ormskirk
Sub-registration District: Ormskirk
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3755
Folio: 140
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Hington 30
Jane Monk 25
- sister born Ormskirk


Class: RG11; Piece: 3755; Folio: 140; Page: 17; GSU roll: 1341898.

david

david Report 12 Jul 2013 22:05

Banns: St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Edward Huyton - This Parish
Alice Monk - The Parish of Aughton
First Reading: 9 Dec 1877; Read By: R V Sheldon Vicar
Second Reading: 16 Dec 1877; Read By: J Philllips Curate
Third Reading: 23 Dec 1877; Read By: R V Sheldon Vicar
Register: Banns 1866 - 1897, Page 139, Entry 283
Source: LDS Film 1849649
Marriage: 25 Dec 1877 Christ Church, Aughton, Lancashire, England
Edward Huyton - 32, Plumber, Bachelor, Ormskirk
Alice Monk - 26, Spinster, Aughton
Groom's Father: [unnamed] ?, Deceased, Cabinet Maker
Bride's Father: [unnamed] ?, Deceased, Carter
Witness: Edward Blundell; Mary Huyton
Married by Banns by: Frederick Nelham AFRF, Curate
Register: Marriages 1877 - 1921, Page 2, Entry 3
Source: LDS Film 1849641
There were 2 matches for this search!

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mmm i need to think about this

pity father unnamed

dont recognize witnesses

but exciting thank you

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 12 Jul 2013 22:08

Rule out the 1881

Alice and Jane have parents of Frederick and Margaret Monk
Frederick is a carter on 1861 census

david

david Report 12 Jul 2013 22:09

i dont think alice monk would be a dress maker as they are all earthenware dealers or hawkers

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Jul 2013 22:09

For info ONLY

Baptism: 29 Jan 1841 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
William Monks - [Child] of Lawrence Monks & Elizabeth
Abode: Penwortham
Occupation: Pot seller
Baptised by: J.C.Whish
Register: Baptisms 1840 - 1842, Page 84, Entry 665
Source: LDS Film 1278755
Baptism: 8 Oct 1843 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
John Monk - Son of Lawrence Monk & Elizabeth
Abode: Ormskirk
Occupation: Pot seller
Baptised by: S Cavan Curate
Register: Baptisms 1833 - 1844, Page 435, Entry 130
Source: LDS Film 1849664
Baptism: 28 Oct 1845 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Flora Monks - Daughter of Lawrence Monks & Elizabeth
Abode: Lathom
Occupation: Earthernware dealer
Baptised by: Ed Blenkinsopp, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1844 - 1855, Page 53, Entry 418
Source: LDS Film 1849665
Baptism: 9 Feb 1851 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Mary Monk - [Child] of Lawrence Monk & Elizabeth
Abode: Lathom
Occupation: Earthenware Dealer
Baptised by: John T Brien, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1844 - 1855, Page 316, Entry 2526
Source: LDS Film 1849665
Baptism: 6 Feb 1853 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Alice Monk - [Child] of Lawrence Monk & Elizabeth
Abode: Scarth Hill
Occupation: Earthenware Dealer
Baptised by: Hutton Rowe, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1844 - 1855, Page 391, Entry 3128
Source: LDS Film 1849665
Baptism: 22 Jul 1855 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
William Monk - [Child] of Lawrence Monk & Elizabeth
Abode: Lathom
Occupation: Eathenware Dealer
Baptised by: W Corbet Howard, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1844 - 1855, Page 476, Entry 3801
Source: LDS Film 1849665
Baptism: 27 Dec 1857 St Michael and All Angels, Croston, Lancashire, England
Margaret Monk - Daughter of Laurence Monk & Elizabeth
Born: 4 Nov 1857
Abode: Ulnes Walton
Occupation: Earthenware Dealers
Baptised by: Wm. R. P. Waudby Curate
Register: Baptisms 1843 - 1903, Page 99, Entry 790
Source: LDS Film 93715
Baptism: 13 Nov 1859 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Monk - [Child] of Lawrence Monk & Betty
Abode: Clayton's Court
Occupation: Earthenware Dealer
Baptised by: J. Wilson
Register: Baptisms 1858 - 1860, Page 246, Entry 1968
Source: LDS Film 93989
Baptism: 22 Sep 1861 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
John Monk - Son of Lawrence Monk & Elizabeth
Abode: Lathom
Occupation: Earthenware Dealer
Baptised by: W R Burgess - Curate
Register: Baptisms 1855 - 1877, Page 154, Entry 1232
Source: LDS Film 1849665

david

david Report 12 Jul 2013 22:13

There was 1 match for this search!

Baptism: 6 Feb 1853 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Alice Monk - [Child] of Lawrence Monk & Elizabeth
Abode: Scarth Hill
Occupation: Earthenware Dealer
Baptised by: Hutton Rowe, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1844 - 1855, Page 391, Entry 3128
Source: LDS Film 1849665
There was 1 match for this search!

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 12 Jul 2013 22:19

Have you ruled out the possible death in 1856 in chorley

david

david Report 12 Jul 2013 22:24

yes this is the family which is causing me so much grief


Street SCARTH HILL
Parish ORMSKIRK
City
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
House Number
House Name
Registration District ORMSKIRK
Town LATHOM
Record set 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Collections from Great Britain
Person 1
First Name JANE
Last Name HOULT
Birth Year 1826
Age 15
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Gender F
Occupation
Archive Reference HO107
Book 5
Folio 46
Page 6
Piece Number 515
Person 2
First Name ELIZABETH
Last Name MONK
Birth Year 1822
Age 19
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Gender F
Occupation
Archive Reference HO107
Book 5
Folio 46
Page 6
Piece Number 515
Person 3
First Name WM
Last Name MONK
Birth Year 1841
Age 0
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Gender M
Occupation
Archive Reference HO107
Book 5
Folio 46
Page 6
Piece Number 515
Person 4
First Name ELIZABETH
Last Name BARKER
Birth Year 1823
Age 18
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Gender F
Occupation
Archive Reference HO107
Book 5
Folio 46
Page 7
Piece Number 515
Person 5
First Name WILLIAM
Last Name BOYES
Birth Year 1816
Age 25
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Gender M
Occupation
Archive Reference HO107
Book 5
Folio 46
Page 6
Piece Number 515
Person 6
First Name MARY
Last Name BOYES
Birth Year 1816
Age 25
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Gender F
Occupation
Archive Reference HO107
Book 5
Folio 46
Page 6
Piece Number 515
Person 7
First Name ANN
Last Name BOYES
Birth Year 1833
Age 8
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Gender F
Occupation
Archive Reference HO107
Book 5
Folio 46
Page 6
Piece Number 515
Person 8
First Name MARY
Last Name BOYES
Birth Year 1840
Age 1
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Gender F
Occupation
Archive Reference HO107
Book 5
Folio 46
Page 6
Piece Number 515
© brightsolid online publishing ltd

david

david Report 12 Jul 2013 22:30

i mean it is the monk family who are giving me grief

mother elizabeth monk and baby william monk are staying with the boyes family in 1841

there is no sign of husband lawrence monk

and then william disappears

david

david Report 12 Jul 2013 22:35

"Have you ruled out the possible death in 1856 in chorley"

but the banns are read in 1871

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Jul 2013 22:38

David - there are a few Alice Monks in Lancashire, how do you know those 1871 banns relate to yours? It could be a different Alice Monk.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 12 Jul 2013 23:01

Can you please explain if you have found Alice on any census ?

Just because there is a baptism does not mean they survived to be on the next census


Might rule out the 1856 death
Name: Alice Monk
Birth Year: abt 1822
Burial Age: 34
Burial Date: 13 Jan 1856
Burial Parish: Chorley, St Laurence
Reference Number: Pr2799/15

david

david Report 13 Jul 2013 06:34

GlitterBaby i havent found alice on any census BUT bear in mind this monk family seem very evasive
lawrence not on 1841 census
lawrence and elizabeth and family missing from 1851 census
they do appear on 1861 census

the 1856 death i think refers to lawrences' sister ie the aunt of my alice

here was 1 match for this search!

Baptism: 12 May 1822 St Andrew, Longton, Lancashire, England
Alice Monk - [Child] of William Monk & Mary
Abode: Longton
Occupation: Seller of Earthenware
Baptised by: Robt. Tongue Minister
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1838, Page 63, Entry 497
Source: LDS Film 1278777
There was 1 match for this search!

david

david Report 13 Jul 2013 06:45

MarieCeleste

David - there are a few Alice Monks in Lancashire, how do you know those 1871 banns relate to yours? It could be a different Alice Monk.

yes BUT

i think the age and location is about right and

the name YATES is on a family gravestone in preston old cemetery

perhaps im grabbing at straws

david

david Report 13 Jul 2013 07:33

patchem

you have all clarified my thinking

i agree alice must have died

i tend to be a little stubborn at times

"Latham is Lathom and Ulnes Walton is near Chorley?." yes i think so

david

david Report 13 Jul 2013 07:43

:-S