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Hello again Sheena Jane, yes FMP = FindMyPast (sorry I tend to lapse into abbreviations and expect everyone else to be psychic too!).

Yes, that's a likely assumption re: engineering.

Sheena Jane....

MarieCeleste has noted the details were from FMP (Find My Past ) ....

MarieCeleste

Where did you get the Merchant Seaman info from?

Maybe this is where jack learned to be an engineer

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KC7D-73P


Dea...Sorry the above is the correct link....!!

MarieCeleste has managed to get the details.....she's obviously psychic....!!!!

This is the Merchant Navy record from FMP:

Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941

Last name: ARMSTRONG
First names: John Ryan
Age:
Day of birth:
Month of birth:
Year of birth: 1909
Place of birth: Gateshead
County/country of birth: Durham
Card type: CR1
Discharge number: R 81167
Identity certificate no.:
Series: BT349
Date range: 1921-1941

Rating was 5th Eng.

5' 7" tall, grey eyes, light brown hair, fresh complexion.

Erin - I am confused........

Is it me or have you posted the wrong link above ?? - It seems to take me to

James Charles O'Connell, "Ireland, Landed Estate Court Files, 1850-1885"

I can't see a connection :-S

Dea Xxx

Name: John Ryan Armstrong
Event Type: Military Service
Event Year Range: 1921-1941
Event Place: United Kingdom
Birthplace: Durham
Birth Year: 1909


Merchant Navy Seamans Records.

I dont have access to check out details...

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCFT-VW9

As Sheena is a new poster, I will send a friendly message on how to return to her thread. :-)

Lots of possible children to this couple:-

Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Armstrong Theresa McGuire Newcastle T. 10b 122
(see death above)

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
Armstrong Annie McGuire Newcastle T 10b 213
Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
ARMSTRONG Elizabeth McGuire Newcastle T 10b 227
Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
Armstrong William J McGuire Newcastle T. 10b 136
Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
Armstrong John McGuire Newcastle T. 10b 102
Armstrong John McGuire Newcastle T. 10b 98
Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Armstrong Patricia T McGuire Newcastle T. 10b 82
Births Mar 1919 (>99%)
Armstrong Elsie McGuire Newcastle T. 10b 157
Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
Armstrong Irene M McGuire Newcastle T. 10b 85
Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
Armstrong Margaret McGuire Newcastle T. 10b 81

Wonder if these are relevant????

Deaths Jun 1912 (>99%)
Armstrong Theresa 0 Newcastle T. 10b 9

Deaths Mar 1930 (>99%)
Armstrong Theresa 36 Gateshead 10a 1007

BUT that marriage appears to have more children and none called Joan so maybe not?

Half sister to Ryan?

Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Armstrong Patricia T McGuire Newcastle T. 10b 82

and marriage to John J ( Jack?)

Marriages Sep 1959 (>99%)
ARMSTRONG Patricia T DEVLIN Gateshead 1a 2164
DEVLIN John J ARMSTRONG Gateshead 1a 2164

Possible death, but only a possible:-

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about John E Armstrong
Name: John E Armstrong
Birth Date: abt 1885
Date of Registration: Jun 1949
Age at Death: 64
Registration District: Gateshead
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 1a
Page: 729
...................................

Another possible:-

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about John E Armstrong
Name: John E Armstrong
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Dec 1950
Age at Death: 66
Registration District: Durham South eastern
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 1a
Page: 619

What is quite interesting is following that census in 1911, John Edward appears to have married his late wife's sister?


Marriages Mar 1912 (>99%)
Armstrong John E McGuire Newcastle T. 10b 142

McGuire Theresa Armstrong Newcastle T. 10b 142

1911 census transcription details for: 42 Maple Street Newcastle-Upon-Tyne

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN30584 RG78PN1753 RD558 SD3 ED6 SN18
Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub District: Elswick
Parish: Elswick
Enum. District: 6
Address: 42 Maple Street Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
County: Northumberland
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MCGUIRE, Elizabeth Head Married F 46 1865 Carlisle Cumberland
MCGUIRE, Catherine Daughter Single F 26 1885 Barmaid Longhdon Dumfresshire
MCGUIRE, Theresa Daughter Single F 20 1891 Barmaid Newcastle/tyne Northumberland
ARMSTRONG, Sydney Grandson M 3 1908 Gateshead Durham
ARMSTRONG, John Bryan Grandson M 2 1909 Gateshead Durham
ARMSTRONG, John Edward Son-In-Law Widow M 26 1885 Publican's Manager Gateshead Durham
KELLY, Michael Davitt Boarder Single M 28 1883 Publican's Manager Draperstown Co Down
BELL, Andrew Brother Single M 50 1861 Labourer General Tyrone Co Tyrone Resident

John Edward Armstrong already a widower - it says 4 children born to marriage and 2 still living, 2 died

Looks as though married in Newcastle not Gateshead:-

Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)
xxxxx ARMSTRONG John Edward Newcastle T. 10b 177
BRUCE Benjamin Thomas Newcastle T. 10b 177
Chambers Elizabeth Ann Newcastle T. 10b 177
xxxxx MCGUIRE Mary Elizabeth Newcastle T. 10b 177

If that marriage is correct possible death for Mary E Armstrong ( nee McGuire)

ARMSTRONG Mary E 25 Newcastle T. 10b 46

Welcome to the boards Sheena. What do you want to know? Do you know if he married and where/to who or his parents names. There are quite a few John Armstrongs aged 1/2 in Gateshead 1911 census

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Births Jun 1909 (>99%)
ARMSTRONG John Ryan Gateshead 10a 1065

So he may have shown on the 1911 (Taken 2 April)as aged 1 or 2 as it's possible he was born up to 6 weeks before he was registered


Civil Registration event: Death

Name: ARMSTRONG, John R
Registration district: Gosport
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1966
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 57
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 433

Probable marriage given grandmother's name

Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)
ARMSTRONG John Edward Newcastle T. 10b 177

MCGUIRE Mary Elizabeth Newcastle T. 10b 177

Hello Sheena, what sort of info are you looking for?

Births Jun 1909 (>99%)
ARMSTRONG John Ryan Gateshead 10a 1065