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This thread is linked on the George thread....for ease any responses on either Harry or George would be best put onto the newer thread entitled George Burt

Happy New Year (in advance) everyone

Jude

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1335557

Myself and my uncle know very little of the child, just that his name is possibly Pat. I do know that my grandfather did not have Pat living with him when he met my nan (bearing in mind Pat mother had died) so can only assume Pat was possibly of age to support himself or he lived with another family member?? I thought that by trying to find Harry's first marriage (before my nan) would help me source info on "Pat".
As this is my fathers father and Pat would have been a half brother to my dad I am desperate to source this info as sadly my dad recently passed away before we had the answers, I have now made it my mission to find Harry's first wife.......... Anyway you can point me in the right direction would be soooooo appreciated x

Not many births for Patrick:

Births Sep 1931
Burt Patrick Burgess Stepney 1c 172
Burt Patrick V Jones St. Thomas 5b 63

Births Mar 1935
Burt Patrick J Neill Dorchester 5a 433

Births Jun 1936
BURT Patrick L Hayward Tonbridge 2a 1596

But cannot see a corresponding marriage for a Harry.

I am on there now...... But I have no idea how you clever people collect your info from there........ I'm lost (haha) I can never seem to find anything?? xx

I did wonder if it was the son who was Pat.

So, presumably Patrick?

Have you looked for births on free bmd?

As the second marriage was in 1947, but your uncle is aware of 'Pat', any idea of age - had he left home by 1947 so born prior to 1930 as an example?

Sorry didn't explain it clearly....... He Had a child with his previous wife and the child's name was possibly Pat (not the wife) ....... Many thanks for your post, any further advice would be much appreciated x

Cannot see a marriage to 'Pat' or to anyone with P as a middle initial.

Name of son?

Any more information from the uncle?

I also know that when he married my nan he was living at 29 Bensham Manor Road,Thornton Heath, Surrey

I now have the death cert for Harry Burt and Norah Fitches and it looks like this is not the marriage I was looking for :(
It may look like he never actually married in Croydon.......???
Any advice on how I can find his previous marriage before marrying my nan would be most grateful as I feel I am stuck now.
Info I have on him is....
Harry Burt born 28th Feb 1897 Islington London
Married my nan on 11th Aug 1945 (Stella Lally was my Nan's name)
And he died on 18th March 1966

So...... Somewhere between 1897 and 1945 he was married, have spoken with my uncle who says he knows Harry had a son with his first wife possible name "Pat"

Will be soooooo graceful for any advice xx

You must also consider that his first marriage could have taken place virtually anywhere................

Try looking for info yourself on freebmd.............

You should try 'search all trees'

Norah is in one member's tree.

..................get in touch.............and find out what she knows

That was only one possible entry - for the wife from the 1922 marriage

There is also the 1927 marriage to consider.

You didn't answer the question about witnesses..........

I would hardly think that bigamy was 'common' in the 1940's..............that would possibly have been the case a century earlier, when divorce was unattainable for the majority of the population

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about George Burt
Name: George Burt CARMAN**********************
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Age: 20
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Allen
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Sep 1886
Parish: Islington St John the Baptist
Borough: Islington
Father Name: George William Burt BAKER********
Spouse Father Name: Charles Allen CARMAN*********
Register Type: Parish Register

Addresses his 13 Halifax St and hers 34 Halifax St.

Witnesses Thomas Burt and Elizabeth Burt.

Thank you Reggie for your posts......your last one has freaked me out a bit as if it is the same Alice this would imply that she never actually died when my grandfather married my nan!!! I hear this was quite common back then?? I will order the wedding cert and work from there I guess xx

Death
Name: BURT, Nora Alice
Registration district: Bromley
County: Kent
Year of registration: 1988
Month of registration: January
Date of Birth:26 December 1899
Volume no: 11
Page no: 986
Reg no: 188

Who witnessed the 1945 marriage?

If you buy the marriage certificates they should have his Father's name on them.

Thank you for your posts, I also know Harry's parents names......George Burt and Mary Burt (formally Allen) would this help me ascertain which one is correct xx

3 Burt births in Croydon with mother's maiden name Fitches:

Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
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Burt Harry J Fitches Croydon 2a 605

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Births Dec 1929 (>99%)
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Burt Barbara N F Fitches Croydon 2a 588

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Births Sep 1933 (>99%)
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Burt Kenneth Fitches Croydon 2a 608

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