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Glasgow Lookup/help please for Ewing

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Andrew

Andrew Report 16 Aug 2013 22:34

Trying to locate a birth record for a gg grandmother, Helen (Ellen) Ewing - apparently born in Glasgow around 1845-47, if her age at death is correct - and also any records of her father Moses Ewing, a blacksmith. I have found one record of him in the 1841 census, in Taylor Street, Glasgow, but nothing else conclusive. Any help would be much appreciated.

Fraser

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 16 Aug 2013 22:38

You need either family search or the parish records on Scotlandspeople which is not a subscription site.

Civil registration began in Scotland in 1855 so you would not find a birth cert

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 16 Aug 2013 22:39

When and where did she marry ?

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 16 Aug 2013 22:40

Hi there Fraser - did she marry? if so, who?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 16 Aug 2013 22:44

Possibles on 1851, 1861 and 1901 but not sure as does not appear to have married

Andrew

Andrew Report 16 Aug 2013 22:45

Thanks - she married in New Zealand, so that isn't much use for Scotland enquiries - the marriage certificate is very limited and doesn't give name and place of parents. Still waiting on a copy of the death certificate to see if that can shed any more light, but I was just hoping someone might have some more ideas of how to track them in Scotland

Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Aug 2013 22:46

https://familysearch.org/

If there is no parental info on the marriage cert, how did you determine that her father was named Moses?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Aug 2013 22:46

Here's the link for Scotland's People http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 16 Aug 2013 22:51

1841

EWING Moses M 30 Journeyman Smith Outside Census County (1841)
HALL Mary F 29 Outside Census County (1841)
EWING Mary F 6 Outside Census County (1841)
EWING Wm M 4 Outside Census County (1841)
EWING Robt M 2 Outside Census County (1841)




And.


Moses Ewing, "Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910"
Name: Moses Ewing
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Mary Hall
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 22 May 1831
Event Place: Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland

Andrew

Andrew Report 16 Aug 2013 22:52

Reggie - I found a thread on Rootsweb with a transcription of deaths recorded in the Arrowtown (New Zealand) area 1876-1899, from a book in the local museum there. All the other data in the transcription checks out, so I have no reason to doubt the name given for her father

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 16 Aug 2013 22:54

But your birth year is out

1851
Name: Helen Ewing
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Moses Ewing
Mother's Name: Mary Ewing
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Parish Number: 467
Civil Parish: Dollar
Town: Dollar
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: Old Village
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2
Page: 8 (click to see others on page)
Household Schedule Number: 39
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1851_97
Household Members: Name Age
Moses Ewing 45
Mary Ewing 45
Mary Ewing 17
Helen Ewing 10
Jessie Ewing 7
Moses Ewing 2
William Hall 19

Andrew

Andrew Report 16 Aug 2013 22:56

Thanks Beverley, that's the census record ok, but I hadn't found the marriage

Cheers

Andrew

Andrew Report 16 Aug 2013 23:00

Yes, I had my doubts about the birth year, seems many of the immigrants 'fudged' their ages when they moved to NZ, there have been a lot of age differences show up in my research

@ Glitterbaby - is that census record for Clackmannanshire? - that may explain why I couldn't find them in Glasgow for that time

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 16 Aug 2013 23:06

Is she on 1871 with a daughter ?

Name: Knerittin Ewing
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 644/2
Registration District: High Church
Civil Parish: Glasgow College
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 8 Old Vennel
ED: 42
Household Schedule Number: 16
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1871_126
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Miller 45
Mary Miller 34
Elizabeth Miller 17
Helen Miller 11
Alexander Miller 8
Robt Miller 2
Helen Ewing 32
Knerittin Ewing 3
Mary Miller 4



Baptism record on familysearch for Henrietta Ewing

Andrew

Andrew Report 16 Aug 2013 23:09

No Glitter baby, that won't be her, as she sailed out to New Zealand in 1865, on the clipper ship 'Peter Denny'

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 18 Aug 2013 22:03

This is the same family as you have found in 1841. Looks like they are still in Dollar in 1861 and father Moses has retired.

1861

Name: Helen Ewing
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Moses Ewing
Mother's Name: Mary Ewing
Gender: Female
Where born: Barony, lanarksh
Registration number: 467
Registration District: Dollar
Civil Parish: Dollar
Town: Dollar
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: 7 High St
Occupation: Domestic Servant
ED: 1
Household Schedule Number: 69
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1861_62
Household Members:
Name Age
Moses Ewing 54, b. Clackmanan, Blacksmith (retired)
Mary Ewing 54 b. Clackmanan
Helen Ewing 19
Moses Ewing 12 Son, b. Barony
Mary Ewing 7 Granddaughter, b. Dollar

Andrew

Andrew Report 19 Aug 2013 00:40

Yes its the same family, thanks for that - it's also more accurate with ages, which tie in with Moses' birth date of 1807 - I have found a birth record and his parents marriage record as well, so the line is gradually coming together

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Aug 2013 11:20

Andrew, I am not seeing the family in 1871 but young Moses is around in 1891 and 1901. He is also a blacksmith.

Now as daddy Moses and his wife died after the 1861 census, it may be worth looking on Scotlandspeople for a death for them. That could give you confirmation of their parents names including the mothers' maiden surnames if the informant knew the details.

Had a wee quick look on SP. There are only 4 Moses Ewings deaths on SP - almost certainly from the same family as 3 are in Glasgow and 1 in Clacks. Of the Glasgow ones, Dennistoun and Bridgeton are next door to one another and Hutchesontown just across the River Clyde.


1 1869 EWING MOSES M 14 HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 0878
2 1886 EWING MOSES M 76 ALLOA (CLACKMANNAN) /CLACKMANNAN 465/00 0231
3 1902 EWING MOSES M 53 BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 0775
4 1916 EWING MOSES M 57 DENNISTOUN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/04 1008



Found Moses in 1881 - looks like Mary ahs died and he has re-married.

Name: Moses Ewing
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Helen Ewing
Gender: Male
Where born: Devonbank, Clackmannanshire
Registration number: 465
Registration District: Alloa
Civil Parish: Alloa
Town: Alloa
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: Erskine Street
Occupation: Blacksmith
ED: 4
Household Schedule Number: 244
Line: 15
Roll: cssct1881_129
Household Members:
Name Age
Moses Ewing 75
Helen Ewing 59

Andrew

Andrew Report 22 Aug 2013 04:48

Yes, it seems that 1886 death date is correct, but the age is incorrect, as he would have been about 79. The 1902 Glasgow one would be his son Moses, as he was born in 1849, but the others are maybe a different branch of the family.

I have located his parents Michael Ewing and Mary Drummond via Family Search and Mundia, where I also found Michael's parents Robert Ewing and Margaret Flint, so this has been a very successful line of inquiry, finding three generations after being a brick wall for so long.

Thanks for your help too :)