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My Mother-in-Law's adopted family

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HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 27 Aug 2013 18:23

My husband's grandmother was adopted between her birth in 1902 (as Winifred Florence May Ellis) and 1911 census when she is shown (in her birth name) as adopted daughter of Martha Stoddart.

Her birth family are a mystery (previous thread) but I have persevered on her adopted family. And they are ALL missing in 1871.

This is them in 1861

Name: Robert Stoddart
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Stoddart
Gender: Male
Where born: Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Gloucester St Mary de Lode
Ecclesiastical parish: Gloucester
Town: Gloucester
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration District: Gloucester
Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 5
Piece: 1765
Folio: 60
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Stoddart 22
Elizabeth Stoddart 22
William R Stoddart 1
David J Stoddart 3 Months

and this is them in 1881

Name: Robert Stoddart
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Elizabeth Stoddart
Gender: Male
Where born: Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Wotton St Mary
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Hyde Lane
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Cooper
Registration District: Gloucester
Sub-registration District: Kingsholm
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2529
Folio: 111
Page Number: 68
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Stoddart 43
Elizabeth Stoddart 41
David Stoddart 20
Joseph Stoddart 18
Harry Stoddart 17
Albert Stoddart 14
Robert Stoddart 13
Sydney Stoddart 6
Albert Cross 11

I have not found ONE of them in 1871 :-(

Eyes needed!!!!!!!


Dea Report 27 Aug 2013 18:45

I am looking Jude as I am sure are several others but I can't see any of them yet ! :-(

Dea x


HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 27 Aug 2013 18:53

No Dea...spent days looking (as you do) and I am not really expecting anyone to find them....but that in itself is comforting (as it affirms that you are not being a dork!!!!!! :-)

Annoying thing is papa Stoddart was born in Scotland but he died in 1852 :-(

Of course, I would love to find her birth family but that's an even more impossible task!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Reggie Report 27 Aug 2013 18:59

Not having seen the other thread about this person, I don't know whether or not you have obtained her birth cert.............

Just looked at the list of missing records for 1871................none reportedly missing for Gloucestershire


Reggie Report 27 Aug 2013 19:11

These would suggest that the family lived in the Kingsholm district at the time of the 1871.............

STODDART Albert Frederick STODDART STODDART DORN 1866 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 11 126
STODDART David John STODDART STODDART DORN 1861 Gloucester Gloucester, St Nicholas 13 12
STODDART Henry James STODDART STODDART DORN 1864 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 10 183
STODDART Joseph Cornelius STODDART STODDART DORN 1862 Gloucester Gloucester, St Nicholas 14 87
STODDART Robert Walter STODDART STODDART DORN 1867 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 11 455
STODDART Sydney Augustus STODDART STODDART DORN 1874 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 14 454
STODDART William Robert STODDART STODDART DORN 1859 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 8 200


HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 27 Aug 2013 19:17

I haven't Reggie...not really sure that the one I have is "her"....

My husband's mother's father was John James Mead. He was widowed in 1925 and married Winifred Florence Stoddart on 06 September 1930.

I know her my mother-in-law's grandmother was Martha Stoddart and 1911 census shows her as a boarder

Name: Winifred Florence Ellis
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Barry, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Caerleon
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: 8 Usk Side Caerleon Mon
Occupation: School
Registration District: Newport
Registration District Number: 587
Sub-registration District: Caerleon
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Household Schedule Number: 9
Piece: 31947
Household Members:
Name Age
Martha Stoddart 45
William Sargeant 40
Winifred Florence Ellis 8
Hilda Marjorie Sargeant 2

The only birth I can find that vaguely matches is

Name: Winifred Ellis
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1902
Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 832

And it is tenuous......but hey ho - it's pay day tomorrow!!!! Perhaps I should speculate :-)



HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 27 Aug 2013 19:18

Yes Reggie...but I can't find them - any of them :-(


Reggie Report 27 Aug 2013 19:21

It may simply be that they were happened.


HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 27 Aug 2013 19:22

mmmm Reggie... :-( :-(


HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 27 Aug 2013 19:48

So the birth certificate ordered - probably not her's (and how will I know if it is)?

But perhaps that's for another thread..........(or actually the original thread).

If anyone can find the family in 1871 ..........