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Sorry, I wasn't being specific enough - I was saying that was my only reference but I think it is safe to claim that the 'other' female of the same who was a lot older is definitely a relative. Just seems difficult making these connections.

You said the death record for Tryphena was "only in the IGI".

Not so:


Parish Records Collection 1538-2005 - Burial


First name(s): Tryphena
Last name SMITHERINGALE
Date of burial: 26 Nov 1833
Age at death: 1
Calculated year of birth: 1832
Place of burial: Grantham
Dedication: St Wulfram
County: Lincolnshire
Notes:
Grantham St Wulfram
Denomination: Anglican
Coverage: 1813 - 1884
Number of entries 6,613
Record source: National Burial Index
Data provider: Lincolnshire Family History Society

The age at death has been noted on the record as being a year old.

A transcription also on FreeReg:

County Lincolnshire
Place Grantham
Church St Wulfrum
RegisterNumber 112
BurialDate 26 Nov 1833
Forename Tryphena
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname SMITHERINGALE
Age 1
Abode L.Gonerby
Notes
FileNumber 18721

Thank you Alemap, can you find another burial for James Smitheringale? There seems to be more than one baptising children in the same area.

And thanks Chris Ho for the link - will look into it.

And the newspaper articles are great. Thank you Tenerife Sun!

This could be the burial for the father of James b.1784.

First name(s): James
Last name: SMITHERINGALE
Date of burial 30 Oct 1828
Age at death: 88
Calculated year of birth: 1740
Place of burial Langtoft
Dedication: St Michael
County: Lincolnshire
Notes:
Langtoft St Michael:

Denomination: Anglican
Coverage 1754 - 1900 Number of entries: 1,848
Record source: National Burial Index
Data provider: Lincolnshire Family History Society
Transcriptions © Lincolnshire Family History Society

http://www.lincstothepast.com/

(above useful for Lincs.)

Chris :)

Lincolnshire Chronical

Stamford Union Deaths

Thursday 18th March 1841 John Smitheringale of scarlet fever, aged 6 years.


Stamford Mercury 13/06/1884
James Smitheringale of Langtoft on the 16th instance for being drunk and disorderly. Fine 5 shillings and costs or 14 days imprisonment



Lincolnshire Chronicle 21/03/1862
District Bancrupts.

Henry Smitheringale, West Deeping, wheelwright. Stock of trade sold by auction.

Stamford Mercury 27/05/1857. Death.

In the Union House Elizabeth Ann daughter of Mahala Smitheringale aged one year

Stamford Mercury 10/07/1857. Marriage

Harris Smitheringale, At the General Baptist Chapel Peterborough on the 2nd instance Mr John Harris to Miss Ann Smitheringgale, both from Maxey

ELIZABETH?!

Search Record Details
County Lincolnshire
Place Crowland
Church St. Guthlac
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 05 Apr 1838
Forename Elizabeth
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname SMITHERINGALE
Age 35
Abode Crowland
Notes
FileNumber 19426

And her mother in law?!

Search Record Details
County Lincolnshire
Place Crowland
Church St. Guthlac
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 31 Dec 1844
Forename Elizabeth
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname SMITHERINGALE
Age 80
Abode Crowland
Notes
FileNumber 19426

Although definite Grantham connections:

Search Record Details
County Lincolnshire
Place Grantham
Church St Wulfrum
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 05 Jun 1707
Forename Mary
Relationship Dau of
Rel1MaleForename Robt
Rel1FemaleForename Hannah
Rel1Surname SMYTHORNGALE
Surname SMYTHORNGALE
Age
Abode
Notes
FileNumber 5409

Although definite family in BARNACK and THORNHAUGH ... both in Northamptonshire. Maybe this family is bigger than I anticipated ...

James burial?

Husband of Elizabeth Hibbitts?

Search Record Details
County Lincolnshire
Place Grantham
Church St Wulfrum
RegisterNumber 18
BurialDate 10 Feb 1837
Forename James
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname SMITHERINGALE
Age 33
Abode L.Gonerby
Notes
FileNumber 18721

Well thank you - Ozibird, the fact Tryphena died young is ONLY from the IGI. Nothing more - and I still can't place that Smitheringale family in Grantham in the 1830s so you marriage may help.

Bascially, I descent from what appears to be one branch and a seperate, albeit smaller branch (of which I suspect the Grantham twig is part) grew close by. The two families, in my opinion, must connect but the problem is where. I have kind of added several uknown generations on my gedcom to include of the information together (of course, aware that this is speculation in the hope of finding evidence later). How strange that family from the 1830s (children of James and Elizabeth) can't be found in the census?! I tried and tried. STRANGE! Any ideas?

So please, keep the information coming - I am very gratefuly for what has been shared here, and love the D.H. Lawrence note ... have you read Sons and Lovers? One of the main characters is named LEIVERS.

Also, than you Detective for the link of FreeREG ... not a site I use at all, so will get onto it!

Also, that Tryphena Smitheringale Magarrach must be connected to the Grantham Tryphena - what a fabulous name. Please, keep looking. Such finds all help the wider puzzle!

Peter

OK, thanks, didn't notice that.

Ozi

but according to the poster - Tryphena died at one year old

Interesting.

1851 England Census
Name: Tryfine Margarrch [Magarrah on image]
Age: 49 [Definitely 49 on image so not your Tryphena]
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Hugh Margarrch
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Southampton St Mary
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: Caryens Court, Marsh Lane
Condition as to marriage: married
Registration District: Southampton
Sub-registration District: Southampton
Piece: 1669
Folio: 507
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Hugh Margarrch 47 - Railway Servant Porter, born Ireland
Tryfine Margarrch 49
Wm Margarrch 10 - Scholar, born Staffordshire
Harriett Battan 66 - Lodger

Marriages Mar 1856
Bowyer Ann Alverstoke 2b 649
BRUSHWOOD William Alverstoke 2b 649
Magarrah Hugh Alverstoke 2b 649
Smitheringale Tryphena Alverstoke 2b 649

Checking out the censuses, I believe William Brushwood married Ann Bowyer.

As there is only one other Magarrah in all the types in the whole of freeBMD I think it is a transcription error. As it is transcribed correctly from the index it probably happened at the parish register.

www.freereg.org.uk is quite good for Lincs ;-)

Although familysearch may hold more transcriptions from across England, the freereg version gives the extra details shown on the register including margin notes

No wonder you couldn't find it on familysearch.org

"England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: James Suilltieringales
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Hibbits
Event Date: 04 Dec 1826
Event Place: Grantham,Lincoln,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01124-1

Thomas Leivers1
M, #2057, b. between 1 January 1885 and 31 March 1885
Father William Leivers1 b. 11 May 1852, d. 19 Dec 1914
Mother Alice Smitheringale1 b. bt 1 Oct 1852 - 31 Dec 1852, d. bt 1 Jan 1889 - 31 Mar 1889


Phil Chamberlain Family Tree - Person Page 24
Thomas Leivers, son of William Leivers and Alice Smitheringale, ... Note a family of Chatterley a few doors along in Lynn Croft ... (inspiration for D.H.L?)
www.chamberlains.me.uk/ss2/g0/p24.htm - Cached

1848 14-Mar Smitheringale Henry Christian Alice RB only West Deeping
[marriage]

XLS] mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk
Microsoft Excel
Smitheringale Culpin Boss Cunnington Joseph CLIFF Dabbs Thomas William Marian Dalby Thomas Bates ... Grantham Heal Morsey Gore Brittan Sapcote Allick Hosea Trouser ...
mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/?stamfordRD.xls

Rebecca SmitheringaleHead W 52 Maxe
Anne SmitheringaleDaugh S 30 M
James SmitheringaleGS 7 Scholar Maxey
John SmitheringaleGS 4 Scholar Maxey

John Smitheringale Head M 36 Railway Porter West Deeping
Mary Ann Smitheringale Wife M 21 Whittlesea
George Smitheringale Son 13 Maxey
John Smitheringale Son 11 Maxey
Henry Smitheringale Son 9 Maxey
Charles Smitheringale Son 5 Maxey
Fanny Smitheringale Daugh 3 Maxey

[DOC] William Pearson - Homepage of St.Peters Church. Maxey. England
Microsoft Word
SinL = son in law. ill* = illegitimate and *who related to * = directly related members of family ... Smitheringale Head M ... Grantham Mary Elizabeth Hyde Wife ...
www.maxeychurch.co.uk/1851%20Census.doc

Smitheringale Family Genealogy Forum - GenForum - Home
Smitheringale Family Genealogy Forum: ... SMITHERINGALE Grantham Lincs ENG 1800s - Suzanne Brown 12/18/02. Re: SMITHERINGALE Grantham Lincs ENG 1800s - Cathy Lucas 5 ...
genforum.genealogy.com/smitheringale - Cached

Uffington Genealogy Resources & Parish Registers ...
... variety of information about the people and places of the Grantham district. Includes family ... of Lincolnshire ... Smitheringale: 1: 0.22: 93: Harrison:
forebears.co.uk/england/lincolnshire/?uffington - Cached

Langtoft Genealogy Resources & Parish Registers ...
... variety of information about the people and places of the Grantham district. Includes family ... Directory of Lincolnshire ... Smitheringale: 5: 0.86: 48: Jibb: 5 ...
forebears.co.uk/england/lincolnshire/?langtoft - Cached

County Lincolnshire
Place Grantham
Church St Wulfrum
RegisterNumber 739
MarriageDate 04 Dec 1826
GroomForename James
GroomSurname SMITHERINGALE
GroomParish Grantham
GroomCondition Bachelor
BrideForename Elizabeth
BrideSurname HIBBITS
BrideParish Grantham
BrideCondition Spinster
WitnessOneForename Wm
WitnessOneSurname BEE
WitnessTwoForename Wm
WitnessTwoSurname MARSHALL

FileNumber 18724

http://www.freereg.org.uk