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Sally, just found all this interesting detail re Eliza and Ellen Bibby. I am also a direct descendant of Eliza through her illegitimate daughter, Ellen.
I think they were both feisty ladies to survive their lives in the mid 1800's and how proud they would be to know how their present day descendants have fared

Harriet's death?

First name(s): Harriet
Last name BIBBY
Date of burial: 15 Feb 1846
Age at death: 44
Calculated year of birth: 1802
Place of burial: Great Horkesley
Dedication: All Saints
County: Essex
Notes:

Sorry, should have looked for when Harriet died. This looks like Phillips birth registration, it should hopefully give mothers maiden name,


Historical Records
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Philip Bibby
Name: Philip Bibby
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1840
Registration District: Colchester
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 12
Page: 62

OR it could be this one??


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1840 (>99%)

Bibby Male Lexden 12 126

Sally from FMP here are a couple of burials you might like to check on SEAX

First name(s): Sarah

Last name: BIBBY

Date of burial 23 Oct 1825

Age at death: 28?

Calculated year of birth: 1797

Place of burial Great Horkesley

Dedication: All Saints

County: Essex

Notes:


First name(s): Sarah

Last name: BIBBY

Date of burial 16 Oct 1827

Age at death: 2 Months

Calculated year of birth: 1827

Place of burial Great Horkesley

Dedication: All Saints

County: Essex


Also at http://www.mundia.com you will see other peoples family trees on The Bibby family these trees will give you lots of information that will need double checking.

Lesley x

Thanks for that BatMansDaughter, but Eliza Bibby's mother (Harriet) had already died by then (in 1846).

Thanks for the church information Diamonds-R-A-Girls-Best-Friend, I will have to widen my search of the Essex Records Office to surrounding villages, as I can't find a marriage of James Bibby to a Harriet in Great Horkesley from around 1826 onwards (this is when James's first wife Sarah Church had her last baby - and presumably died a short-ish while later - although I can't find her burial details in Great Horkesley either).

To recap on what I now know:
- My direct ancestor Eliza Bibby was baptised in Great Horkesley, Essex 1832
- Eliza's mother, Harriet Bibby, was buried in Great Horkesley in 1846.
- Eliza and her father and siblings were living with her elder half-sister Mary Constable in 1851 census in Mile End (Myland) Colchester.
- Eliza's mother was the 2nd 'wife' of James Bibby - although yet to find their marriage details, or the 1st wife's death details. Suspicious!

And what I still need to find:
- I'd like to find out her mother (Harriet) surname, no luck yet, nor for her marriage (if at all) to James Bibby, Eliza's father.
- I need to search further through the Essex Records Office to now investigate Eliza's father, James Bibby and his ancestors. I took out a week's subscription to the ERO, I'd better get my skates on!

This may give you the mothers maiden name,


Historical Records
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Harvey Bibby
Name: Harvey Bibby
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1851
Registration District: Colchester
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 12
Page: 75

Hello Sally I don't know if it will help but there are at least two churches in Myland

Mile End Methodist Church Nayland/Mile End Road

St Michael's Mile End Road

Lesley x

County Essex
Place Great Horkesley
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 29
MarriageDate 24 May 1818
GroomForename James
GroomSurname BIBBY
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Sarah
BrideSurname CHURCH
BrideAge
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename William
WitnessOneSurname BIBBY
WitnessTwoForename Mary
WitnessTwoSurname CHURCH
Notes By banns with consent of parents

Sally

Yes I have a sub as my maternal line come from Essex and I wouldn't be without it.

There isn't much free online for the County, as you have found out, and the only way I had to research was to visit the Essex RO. Now when I get the chance to go there I have the time to view real documents rather than crank the microfilm readers for parish registers.

To be honest a years sub works out cheaper than my staying near the RO for a few days.

Chris

Thank you Chris - is this something you have a subscription for? Could be a fascinating resource. Just looking at the free stuff at the moment, for Bibby generally. Very interesting. Thanks very much for the tip off!

The Parish Registers for Essex are available through a subscription site. They are not indexed.

https://secureweb1.essexcc.gov.uk/SeaxPAM2012/EssexAncestors.aspx

I have had a quick look and it appears James may have married more than once.

Baptisms at Great Horkesley
To James and Sarah
1 Jan 1823 Charles, Mary and Sarah

To James and Harriet
26 Oct 1828 George
7 June 1829 Charlotte
19 Feb 1832 Eliza
2 Nov 1834 Emmily
15 Feb 1837 William

No marriage in Great Horkesley for a James and Harriet.

Chris

I have received Eliza Bibby and Timothy Verlander's marriage certificate 8 Jan 1866, Colchester Register Office. Her father is James Bibby, and one witness is Charlotte Durrant, who I've traced as Eliza's sister. So BatMansDaughter is right that the 1851 family contains my Eliza Bibby.

Now onto the next step of finding out more about Eliza's mother, "Harriet" from the 1841 census, so I can find out her surname. I found a marriage of a James Bibby, Great Horkesley, Essex to a Sara Church in 1818... but no Harriets. Having difficulty finding any parish register details of any of the Bibby children (and thereby details of their mother). Any suggestions - although I guess it might be time to get down to wherever the Essex parish registers are held, if they're not online anywhere?

Thanks everyone.

Great sleuthing BatMansDaughter! This looks definitely like the same family from 1841! Thank you, I'll now have more of an investigation of the rest of that family while I wait for Eliza Bibby and Timothy Verlander's marriage certificate.
Thanks everyone!

Looks like the same family from 1841,


All 1851 England Census Results
1851 England Census about Eliza Bibbey
Name: Eliza Bibbey
[Eliza Constable]
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Danniel Constable
Mother's Name: Mary Constable
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Gt Horksley, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Mile End
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration District: Colchester
Sub-registration District: Colchester First Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 41
Piece: 1781
Folio: 361
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Danniel Constable 35
Mary Constable 29
James Bibbey 50 >>> father in law, widow
Charlotte Bibbey 22
Eliza Bibbey 20
Emily Bibbey 18
William Bibbey 16
Phillip Bibbey 14
Esther Bibbey 8
Harrey Bibbey 4 months

Order it through GRO - other sites can charge LOTS more than the £9.25 which they will charge you!

Dea Xxx

Yes, you are right, Dea - I'm just going through the process of buying it now....
thanks

There's an Eliza Bibby age 11 in 1851 census, born Gt Horkesley, Essex - so that would make her born about 1840. She is from a different family from my suspected 1841 family (parents James and Harriett):

Robert Bibby 37
Simon Whiles 16
Mary Ann Bibby 13
Eliza Bibby 11
Jane Bibby 9
Maria Bibby 7
Mary Whalen 66
Anne Harland 40

You REALLY do need that marriage cert. which would hopefully give the name and occupation of her father.

The witnesses also may help as they are ofter family members.

Dea x

Hi Mel Fairy Codmother - I've just google-mapped Nayland, Great Horkesley and Myland/Mile End in Colchester. And they are all in a line, as you say, not very far from one another. This makes it so hard to be sure of anything, doesn't it!

Myland an alternative to the original "Mile End" is a civil parish in Essex, England that is now a suburb of Colchester. The original village was located approximately one mile north of the middleborough, or the centre of the Borough of Colchester. It probably acquired its name from its distance from the centre of Colchester.

Great Horkesley is a small village approximately 3 miles north of Colchester in the county of Essex, UK, and is part of the borough of Colchester.

The two villages are only a mile or so apart, I wouldn't discount Eliza being from somewhere in between the two and "Myland" being the better known place to mention at census time or the family having moved when she was younger and she thought she was from Myland when asked herself.