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Help with Elcoat family, North Yorkshire please

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Catherine

Catherine Report 27 Jan 2014 13:43

When boys ended up in the workhouse they were quite often "apprenticed" out to craftsmen who were looking for help. Some would have been genuine but some were unfortunately just looking for cheap labour, but learning a skill was a really good way of making something of yourself so David was probably very lucky.
In 1881 he was living with William Goss (Tailor) and was employed as an apprentice.

1881 England Census about David Elcoat
Name: David Elcoat
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship to Head: Apprentice
Gender: Male
Where born: Ayton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Redcar
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 51 High Street

Occupation: Tailors Apprentice

Registration District: Guisborough
Sub-registration District: Marske
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4841
Folio: 29
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
William Goss 29 (Tailor and Outfitter employing 1 man and 3 apprentices)
Sarah A. Goss 28
Emiley Goss 6
Elenor Goss 5
Harry Goss 3
Frank Goss 1
Hannah M. Davidson 17
John Carkeet 20
David Elcoat 15

......................................................

David married in Lincoln in 1889:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about David Elcoat
Name: David Elcoat
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1889
Registration District: Lincoln
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume Number: 7a
Page Number: 1039
Records on Page:
Name
xxxx David Elcoat xxxx
Rebecca Frost
George Stockton
xxxx Elizabeth Jane Stubley xxxx

Poolie Girl

Poolie Girl Report 26 Jan 2014 23:36

I'm wondering if David Elcoat learned tailoring while he was in the workhouse. Can't think how else he would have got the skills cos they seem a pretty poor family

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jan 2014 23:16

John Henry looks as though he died young:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about John Henry Elcoat
Name: John Henry Elcoat
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1874
Age at Death: 18
Registration District: Guisborough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 310

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jan 2014 23:06

Yes, that is a real possibility for Jane's death!

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jan 2014 23:02

John Henry Elcoat
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 14 October 1856 GREAT AYTON,YORK,ENGLAND
father: John Elcoat
mother: Jane

Michael Elcoat
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 16 October 1859 GREAT AYTON,YORK,ENGLAND
death: 9 August 1861
father: John Elcoat
mother: Jane

David Elcoat
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 27 July 1862 GREAT AYTON,YORK,ENGLAND
father: John Elcoat
mother: Jane

Thomas Elcoat
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 14 October 1855 GREAT AYTON,YORK,ENGLAND
father: John Elcoat
mother: Jane

Poolie Girl

Poolie Girl Report 26 Jan 2014 22:59

I think this is a better match for Jane's death
Deaths Sep 1870 Elcoat Jane 47 Guisbro' 9d 345

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jan 2014 22:48

1891 he is still in Workhouse, noted as Imbecile from childhood:-

1891 England Census about John Elcoat
Name: John Elcoat
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Male
Where born: Skelton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Guisborough
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Guisborough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Ag Labourer

Condition as to marriage: Widow

Registration District: Guisborough
Sub-registration District: Guisborough
ED, institution, or vessel: Guisborough Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4002
Folio: 131
Page Number: 1


there are also:-

Thomas Elcoat
abt 1859 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Pauper Guisborough, Yorkshire
(also noted as Imbecile from childhood)

and

George Elcoat
abt 1864 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Pauper Guisborough, Yorkshire

??

Poolie Girl

Poolie Girl Report 26 Jan 2014 22:48

Thank you Catherine, you're a star!

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jan 2014 22:42

1881 John is still in workhouse:-

1881 England Census about John Elcoat
Name: John Elcoat (noted as Imbecile)
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relationship to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Skelton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Guisbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: "Workhouse"
Marital status: Widow

Occupation: Ag Lab
Registration District: Guisborough
Sub-registration District: Guisbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4844
Folio: 92
Page Number: 49

...............

EDIT:-

Also in workhouse:-

1881 England Census about Thomas Elcoat
Name: Thomas Elcoat (noted as Imbecile from birth)
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Yeaton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Guisbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: "Workhouse"

Occupation: General Laborer
Registration District: Guisborough
Sub-registration District: Guisbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4844
Folio: 91
Page Number: 48

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jan 2014 22:36

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about John Elcoat
Name: John Elcoat
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1853
Registration District: Stokesley
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 665
Records on Page:
Name
xxxx Jane Bradley
xxxx John Elcoat
Mary Jane Moon
William Moon


Note John Bradley on 1861 census!


1851 England Census about Jane Bradley
Name: Jane Bradley
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Michael Bradley
Mother's Name: Mary Bradley
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Newton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Great Ayton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Registration District: Stokesley
Sub-registration District: Stokesley
ED, institution, or vessel: 12b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 97
Piece: 2376
Folio: 184
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Bradley 68
Mary Bradley 70
William Bradley 28
Jane Bradley 28
John Bradley 11
William Bradley 3

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jan 2014 22:36

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about John Elcoat
Name: John Elcoat
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1899
Age at Death: 77
Registration District: Guisborough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 320

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jan 2014 22:34

Just in case you need it:-

1891 England Census about David Elcoats
Name: David Elcoats
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Guisborough, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: St Swithin
Ecclesiastical parish: St Swithin
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Tailor

Registration District: Lincoln
Sub-registration District: Lincoln Home
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2593
Folio: 112
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Edwards 68
Elizabeth T Elcoats 22 (In 1881 Elizabeth is living with Sarah Edwards - noted as Niece)
David Elcoats 29
..................................................

1901 England Census about David Elesat
Name: David Elesat
[David Elcoat]
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Elizabeth Elesat
Birth Place: Ayton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: St Peter at Gowts
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Tailor

Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
David Elesat 39
Elizabeth Elesat 31
William D Elesat 4
Percey S Elesat 1 6 Months
..................................................

1911 England Census about David Elcodt
Name: David Elcodt
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ayton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Bracebridge
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address: 59 Maple St Brocebridge Lincoln
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Tailor (maker)
Registration District: Lincoln
Registration District Number: 418
Sub-registration District: Lincoln Home
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 19726
Household Members:
Name Age
David Elcodt 49
Elizabeth Elcodt 41
Bertie Elcodt 11
Doris Elcodt 8

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jan 2014 22:20

If John was widowed by 1871 then this could be death of his wife Jane:-

Deaths Sep 1859 (>99%)
ELCOAT Jane Guisbro 9d 335

Poolie Girl

Poolie Girl Report 26 Jan 2014 21:50

sorry -double reply

Poolie Girl

Poolie Girl Report 26 Jan 2014 21:50

Wonder if he cracked up with grief/stress. What was his occupation before? I'm guessing they're in the workhouse then

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 26 Jan 2014 21:45

1871 for Thomas - reads son of

John is on image as a widower - shown as imbecile
Also a 9year old David and 5 year George

They are in the workhouse

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 26 Jan 2014 21:43

1871 but need to check the imager as quite a few names listed on the transcription

Name: Thomas Eleoats
Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Son-in-law Gender: Male Where born: Ayton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Guisborough Ecclesiastical parish: Cleveland Town: Guisborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration District: Guisborough Sub-registration District: Kirkleatham ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household Schedule Number: 81 Piece: 4857 Folio: 64 Page Number: 18


Class: RG10; Piece: 4857; Folio: 64; Page: 18; GSU roll: 849465

Poolie Girl

Poolie Girl Report 26 Jan 2014 21:41

That does look promising, thank you

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 26 Jan 2014 21:39

1871 possible for John

Name: John Elcoat
Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Ayton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Woodham County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration District: Stockton Sub-registration District: Sedgefield ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household Schedule Number: 11 Piece: 4908 Folio: 71 Page Number: 9 Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Elcoat 59
Mary Elcoat 60
Ann Elcoat 30
David Elcoat 23
Jane E Elcoat 17
John Elcoat 14

Class: RG10; Piece: 4908; Folio: 71; Page: 9; GSU roll: 848012

Poolie Girl

Poolie Girl Report 26 Jan 2014 21:38

Awww - it happened a lot in those times