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just for info, in Burgh in the Marsh, Lincolnshire in 1911 there are two Hall households

Joseph Percy Hall 25
Lucy Ann Hall 48 widowed mother
Nellie Paddison 10 cousin

Arthur Hall 23
Sarah Hall 45 widowed mother
Louisa Hall 21 sister
Frederick Tyler 24 boarder

both households were on Church Street about 2 doors away from each other it seems

the Houlden household was on Ingoldmells Road

but Florence was not necessarily born in the same place - the birth certificate would give the exact location

that's right, the birth certificate would probably only show the mother's name - if they were not married the father would have had to be present to register in his name or as the father

there was no formal adoption in England until the end of the 1920s

the couple would just have reared her as their own

she could have been placed with them by her mother or by authorities

the birth certificate might tell more about the circumstances of the birth, for instance if it was in a workhouse

Margee is right of course, nurse child was the term for a child placed with another family

(and Ancestry which is so focused on the United States does not have a category for this British term - I searched for a Flo* born in 1909-1911 who was a Nurse!)


you're very welcome, come back if there are more questions after the birth certificate :-)

So maybe she was born out of wedlock and these people adopted her, if so where would she go to find out if this happened ie adoption papers.her birth certificate would def show the mothers name but not the father is that correct.
Thank you so much for your time tonight you have been amazing.

Many people confuse nurse child with wet nurse. Not so. Nurse child is just a foster child.

I'll repost the census for you

Name: Florance Hall
Age in 1911: 6/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Nurse Child (Nurse)
Birth Place: Spilsby, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Burgh in the Marsh
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: Ingoldmells Road Burgh C Marsh
Registration district: Spilsby
Sub-registration district: Burgh

Joseh Houlden 40 - Waggoner on Farm born Ketsby ?
Elizabeth Houlden 30 - born Thorpe-Fen-dyke
>> Florance Hall 6/12

Registration District Number: 420
Sub-registration district: Burgh
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 19859

I am not up on sending files through this system if that is what you meant, to have an image, maybe someone else would do that for you?

we crossposted

this is where to get certificates

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

oops! click EDIT to take your email address out of your post above or somebody will be reporting you for breaking the rules. :-)


the father on the marriage certificate is probably the Joseph Houlden in the 1911 census I posted

Joseh Houlden 40
Elizabeth Houlden 30
Florance Hall 6/12

which you did see?

as I said, you need the birth certificate to get the real mother's name, but it very likely does not identify a father

it seems the Houldens reared her as their own child

Where does she send away for the birth certificate please, can you send me that census with her on Many thanks for all your help

On marriage it says father is Joseph

this is probably the couple

Marriages Jun 1903
Boyce George Spilsby 7a 1453
> Houlden Joseph Spilsby 7a 1453
> Lyall Elizabeth Spilsby 7a 1453
Rutter Charlotte Spilsby 7a 1453

this must be the birth

Births Sep 1910
HALL Florence Spilsby 7a 526

and the only way you are likely to get info about the parents is to obtain that birth certificate

you could also check whether she named her father on her marriage certificate

I think this must be who you are talking about


Name: Florance Hall
Age in 1911: 6/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Nurse Child (Nurse)
Birth Place: Spilsby, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Burgh in the Marsh
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: Ingoldmells Road Burgh C Marsh
Registration district: Spilsby
Sub-registration district: Burgh

Joseh Houlden 40
Elizabeth Houlden 30
Florance Hall 6/12

I confused myself there ! Spalding, Spilsby ... but it's the Horncastle one we want :-)

Births Sep 1910
HOULDEN Florence S Horncastle 7a 509

and I think that's the one we can't find in 1911 ...

No! That's the one in Cawkwell Scamblesby - Horncastle reg dist

William Thomas Houlden 33
Rose Houlden 30
Ethel Mary Houlden 7
William Thomas Houlden 6
Frank Houlden 2
Flory Houlden 1
William Proverbs 15
Mary Davies 46

so not with a wet nurse it seems

if someone has found her in the 1911 can't we just get the exact details about her from whoever found her?

The info I have is from a friend her mother was called Florence Houlden born Lincs 1910, she told me that a friend had found out a bit of information out from the census that she was living with Elizabeth who was a wet nurse to her. So this would be on the 1911 census, Elizabeth was born 1880 in lincs.She is trying to find her grandparents.

Snap back at you, Joonie!

That's the one for Horncastle dist

Another candidate, Joonie:

1911 England Census
about Florence Holden Name: Florence Holden
Age in 1911: 9/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Cowbit, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Cowbit
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: Backgate Cowbit Nr Spalding Lincs
Registration district: Spalding
Registration District Number: 413
Sub-registration district: Spalding
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 19499
Household Members: Name Age
George Robert Holden 38
Sarah Eliza Holden 36
John Joseph Holden 7
Charles Holden 6
Thomas Holden 4
William Henery Holden 3
Florence Holden 9/12
Joseph Turner 76 , wife's father

and this seems to be the other one, born in Spalding reg dist, in Cowbit in 1911

George Robert Holden 38
Sarah Eliza Holden 36
John Joseph Holden 7
Charles Holden 6
Thomas Holden 4
William Henery Holden 3
Florence Holden 9/12
Joseph Turner 76

the 1910 birth is probably this marriage

Marriages Mar 1925
Houlden Florence S True Spilsby 7a 869
True Harry Houlden Spilsby 7a 869

but not seeing her in 1911


edit, here she is in Cawkwell Samblesby

William Thomas Houlden 33
Rose Houlden 30
Ethel Mary Houlden 7
William Thomas Houlden 6
Frank Houlden 2
Flory Houlden 1
William Proverbs 15
Mary Davies 46

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

there is no Florence Houldon birth 1910-1912

can you say what else you know about her (the reason you are looking for the info, e.g. are you descended from her, so when did she marry ...)

also, is her name spelt correctly?

the only similar person in Lincolnshire in 1911 is

Harrison George Houlden 35
Emma Houlden 36
Florence Ellen Houlden 5
James Wells 21
Tom Rodgers 21


could she be this child?

Births Sep 1910
HOULDEN Florence S Horncastle 7a 509


snap Margee :-)

oh oops no, we have two different candiates :-D