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I don't know if I am missing something, but I am trying to find information regarding Alice Rebecca Charlton.

Frank Evelyn Boulton born 1879 Faversham, Kent, married Alice Rebecca Charlton in 1900.

BOULTON Frank Evelyn Southampton 2c 57
Charlton Alice Rebecca Southampton 2c 57

(This marriage also took place but I have found Phillips/Lott on the 1901 and 1911 census.)

Marriages Mar 1900 (>99%)
Lott Amy Maria Southampton 2c 57
Phillips John William F Southampton 2c 57

Frank is with his parents on the 1901 census and with his sister in 1911. On both records he is a "Widower" which would mean that wife Alice died between 1900 and 1901.

The problem is, I can't seem to find an appropriate birth for an Alice Rebecca Charlton or a death for Alice Rebecca Boulton between 1900 and 1901.

I understand that Alice may have been married before, but I can't find a marriage for a Charlton to an Alice Rebecca either!

Here is Frank in 1901


1901 England Census
about Frank Boulton Name:Frank Boulton
Age:21
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1880
Relation to Head:Son
Gender:Male
Mother:Rebecca Boulton
Birth Place:Faversham, Kent, England
Civil Parish:St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish:Holy Trinity
Town:Southampton
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
Registration district:Southampton
Sub-registration district:Southampton
ED, institution, or vessel:11

Household Members:

Rebecca Boulton 63
Lottie Boulton 28
Alfred Boulton 26
Frank Boulton 21 Widower Engine BlackSmith
Charlotte Blake 19

Any ideas much appreciated.

Can I just add that I have all other details regarding Frank.

Thankyou.

Just to put you in the picture, i believe this is Amy Maria Lott with husband John in the 1901 census


1901 England Census
about Amy Phillips Name:Amy Phillips[Amy Lott]
Age:30
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1871
Relation to Head:Daughter
Gender:Female
Father:Henry Lott
Mother:Mary A Lott
Birth Place:Southampton, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish:All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish:St Pauls
Town:Southampton
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England

Household Members:

Henry Lott 56
Mary A Lott 54
Amy Phillips 30 Married
Edith Lott 25
John Phillips 31 Son in Law



1911 England Census
about Amy Maria Phillips Name:Amy Maria Phillips
Age in 1911:40
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1871
Relation to Head:Visitor
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Southampton, Hampshire, England Household Members:

Henry Lott 66
Mary Ann Lott 64
Edith Harriett Lott 34
John Phillips 41
Amy Maria Phillips 40
Reginald Phillips 5

Is it possible that Frank and Alice's marriage just broke up and he described himself as a widower?

There is a marriage in 1918 in Essex of an Alice R. Boulton:-

First name(s) ALICE R
Last name BOULTON
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1918
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ALICE R BOULTON married
HAROLD E MATTHEWS
Spouse's last name MATTHEWS
District WEST HAM
District number -
County Essex
Country England
Volume 4A
Page 337

People couldn't always afford to divorce in those days and bigamy was more common than you would expect.

Kath. x

hi
just wanted to say people did not always tell the truth on census my mother in laws mother on 1911 census said she was a widow and she never was married

That is very interesting Kath.

I will see if I can find an Alice Rebecca on the 1901 and 1911 census that might possibly be her.

Thanks Yvonne.

I think the 1918 marriage is this person

Births Dec 1892 (>99%)
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Boulton Alice Rose Camberwell 1d 933

Also in Ancestry trees


Andy

I am inclined to agree with you Andy.

this alice rose boulton was born in camberwell so it cant be her as its her birth name

wonder if she was committing adultery

Marriages Mar 1898
Charlton Alice Rebecca Islington 1b 453 >>>>>>>>>

Marriages Mar 1900
Charlton Alice Rebecca Southampton 2c 57


Marriages Mar 1898
Charlton Alice Rebecca Islington 1b 453
Clapham Ellen Emily Islington 1b 453
SHELDRICK George Islington 1b 453
WESSON Daniel Phillipe Islington 1b 453
Wesson Daniel Phillippe Islington 1b 453

only birth though that comes up

Births Dec 1859
Charlton Alice Rebecca London City 1c 86

it might be as well to get the marriage cert of 1900 for her age and fathers name

did he say he was a widower when he remarried ?

First name(s) FRANK E
Last name BOULTON
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1913
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ FRANK E BOULTON married
FLORENCE K PORTER
Spouse's last name PORTER
District SOUTHAMPTON
District number -
County Hampshire
Country England
Volume 2C
Page 37

These two appear to have married.

Clapham Ellen Emily Islington 1b 453
SHELDRICK George Islington 1b 453

1901

Name: George Sheldrick
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Ellen E Sheldrick
Birth Place: Islington, London, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras


which leaves this as a possible.


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) DANIEL PHILIPPE
Last name WESSON
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1855
Age 45
Death quarter 4
Death year 1900
District HACKNEY
County London
Volume 1B
Page 291



Name: Daniel Philippe Wesson
Probate Date: 7 Jan 1901
Death Date: 23 Dec 1900
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London, England


Administration was left to Kate Charlton, spinster.

If the marriage in Southampton in 1900 is the same Alice who married Daniel, perhaps she had left him? The marriage is in the first quarter of the year and Daniel died in the last quarter. She also married in her maiden name.

Just a thought, probably way off the mark. The MC would help.

She's also a lot older than Frank Boulton if this is the same person.



London, England, Non-conformist Registers, 1694-1921 about Alice Rebecca Charlton

Name: Alice Rebecca Charlton
Baptism Date: 13 Nov 1859
Baptism Place: City of London, Middlesex, England
Church: Albion Chapel Presbyterian Church
Father: James Charlton
Mother: Margaret Charlton


and a brother


London, England, Non-conformist Registers, 1694-1921 about John Clement Charlton
Name: John Clement Charlton
Baptism Date: 24 Oct 1858
Baptism Place: City of London, Middlesex, England
Church: Albion Chapel Presbyterian Church
Father: James Charlton
Mother: Margaret Charlton

I have visitors so I can't really check it all out ay the moment.

This might be interesting.


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
about Daniel Philippe Wesson Name:Daniel Philippe Wesson
Probate Date:7 Jan 1901
Death Date:23 Dec 1900
Death Place:Middlesex, England
Registry:London, England

Of 76 Downs Park Road, Hackney.

To Kate Charlton spinster ====Effects: £230 15s 8d

Thankyou everyone for your time.

You beat me to it alviegal :-)

Alice and Kate? 1891


Name:Alice R Charlton
Age:31
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1860
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:James Charlton
Gender:Female
Where born:Riby, London, England
Civil Parish:Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish:Holy Trinity
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district:Greenwich
Sub registration district:Greenwich West
ED, institution, or vessel:12
Neighbors:
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Piece:509
Folio:137
Page Number:45
Household Members:
Name
Age


James Charlton 58
Alice R Charlton 31
Katherine Charlton 28

Andy

Looks like it may be them Andy.


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
56, Driffield Road, Old Ford Bow, Poplar, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Charlton Head Married Male 28 1833 Mercant... Ireland
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Margaret Charlton Wife Married Female 27 1834 - Exeter, Devon, England
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John L Charlton Son Unmarried Male 2 1859 - London, Middlesex, England
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Alice R Charlton Daughter - Female 1 1860 - London, Middlesex, England
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Elizabeth Brownlee Servant Unmarried Female 19 1842 Domestic Servant London, Middlesex, England



1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Loraine Road, Islington, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Margaret Charlton Head - Female 38 1833 - Devon, England
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John Charlton Son - Male 12 1859 - London, Middlesex, England
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Alice R Charlton Daughter - Female 11 1860 - London, Middlesex, England
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Catharine J Charlton Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Middlesex, England




1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
528, Old Kent Road, Camberwell, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Maria Tantrinson Head Widow Female 50 1831 Shop Keeper (General) Stepney, Middlesex, England
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Ada C Tantrinson Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Islington, Middlesex, England
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Robert G W Tantrinson Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Islington, Middlesex, England
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Amelia Crookes Aunt Widow Female 72 1809 - Shadwell, Middlesex, England
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Alice Charlton Boarder Single Female 21 1860 Milliner City of London, Middlesex, England
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Catherine Charlton Boarder Single Female 18 1863 Milliner Middlesex, England

the only alice rebecca i can find is named ross she married a patrick charlton in 1876

Hi Yvonne. Yes I spotted that marriage.

Hi alviegal and Andy

Sorry I didn't get back to you both last night. I see you have made great progress and it does all seem to fit.

There seems to be some mystery regarding Alice. The best thing for me to do would be to purchase a copy of the Boulton/Charlton marriage cert to see what that reveals. I do wonder though that as she married for the second time using her maiden name, whether she would actually have told the truth.

Odd too that Daniel left his money to the Sister in Law rather than his wife. I wonder what the story behind that is!

Thank you both very much for your time, I will keep digging to see what else I can come up with.

Very much appreciated thankyou. David.

The name on the probate record(Kates) is the person who dealt with the estate, not who the money was left to. You would need a copy of the will to find where the money went.

A copy of the MC to Frank would at least check we have been chasing the correct Alice

Andy