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OK here's my twopence worth!

John and David are one and the same - there is no birth for John and it seems inconceivable that "2 month old" David is elsewhere in 1901. David was born Jacob Davis, married as Jacob Davis and died as Jacob Davis but was know as David. Don't forget....the registration is when the birth was registered. Nowadays you have 42 days to register. So a child could be born - say March 15th - and registration would have to be done by by 26 April. And in freebmd that would show as June :-)

Hinda is the child born and died in 1911 census.

So in various electoral rolls the four surviving siblings live together.

If I were you I would plump for this birth certificate

Births Mar 1906 (>99%)
Landsman Louie St. Geo. East 1c 322

I'd wager this is Hetty

EDIT: Scotch that

Name: Looie Landsman
Age in 1911: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1905
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: St Giles in the Fields and Bloomsbury St George
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County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 23 High Street, Bloomsbury W C
Occupation: SCHOOL
Registration district: St Giles
Registration District Number: 12
Sub-registration district: St Giles and Bloomsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 1177

So Yetty seems the only possibility...
Jude

Not sure if this has been posted but this probably is the marriage of Israel and Golda

Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)
Gimick Golda Mile End 1c 882 Scan available - click to view
Koppel Annie Mile End 1c 882 Scan available - click to view
Landesman Israel Mile End 1c 882 Scan available - click to view
Tabilitsky David Mile End 1c 882 Scan available - click to view

Jude

Re Ettie/Hettie/Yetta/Yetty -

an alternative to the 1905 Bethnal Green birth in your opening post, Keith, could be this one (not sure if already suggested?):

Births Dec 1904 (>99%)
LUNDISMAN Yetta St. Geo. East 1c 309

The surname spelling is more like that in the 1901 & 1911 censuses, the birthplace is the same as the other children, and a child born at the end of 1904 would be 6 at the time of the 1911 census.

Jude: that is indeed the marriage.

I think that Looie must be another branch of the family.

ArgyllGran: nope, we haven't had a Lundisman yet [grin] And I agree she's a valid candidate.

How do you find them? Just when I thought we'd about bpttomed it, up pops another L something of the other!!

Looks as if I need to order a handful of certificates, this is going to be an expensive week!

Thanks both!

Keith

Death of Israel/Gabriel landesman 1873 -1947 Stepney 5b 544
Goldy landsman 1875 -1951 Islington 5c 954.

Where were they when the children were at 55,Jane Street the family home??

Maryb.

Where has the "Gabriel" come from, Mary? I've only seen him as Israel.

Thanks for Golda's death, I hadn't seen that.

Keith

There is a Gabriel and Israel registered on Ancestry.co.uk with the same with the same Volume and page number ie Stepney 1947 5b 544.

Maryb

"Where were they when the children were at 55,Jane Street the family home?? "

Not sure what you mean, Maryb.

Israel and Golda were with the children at 55 Jane Street in 1901 & 1911 - census records posted on page 4. (And also mentioned by you on page 3)

I wonder if Mary means on the electoral rolls?

Maybe Israel and Golda were not elegible to vote?

Jude

Totally unconnected, this is Jacob Davis/David - he was a furrier

Name: Mr J D Lindesmann
Birth Date: abt 1901
Age: 28
Port of Departure: Australia
Arrival Date: 4 Jul 1929
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Plymouth
Ship Name: Orsova
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Shipping line: Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 128278

Jude

Jude:

Anything as long as it begins with "L" [grin]

That's him alright, 55 Jane Street. I wonder how he got to Australia? And what he was called when he went!

Mary:

Thanks for the pointer to Israel / Gabriel, I see it now.

Keith

Some certificates arrived while I was away for a couple of weeks.

55 Jane Street ties them nicely together.

Jacob Davis Landesman 30, father Gabriel, married Tillie Stone 22, of 7 Nelson Street, Mile End, father Abraham deceased, on 5 January 1932.

Yetta Lundisman, daughter of Golda Lundisman, formerly Gimick, and Israel Lundesman, born 3 October 1904

Jacob Davis Lendesmen, parents ditto but Lendesmen, born 8 March 1901

19 November 1931, David Landsman naturalisation. But. Address in Tottenham Court Road, married to Hettie, born 1893, parents Leib & Yetta Landsman. So this is unlikely to be connected. Pity!

Keith