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jones. 1891 census also 1911 please further info

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brummie46

brummie46 Report 7 Jun 2016 10:37

Wondering if someone could do a look up on 1891 census for the following:-
Emily Jones born 1890 amd Florence.J.S.Jones born 1889 in Birmingham. Their mother was also Emily and her maiden name believe to be Lawrence. Cant find a marriage for Emily snr. although she went on to marry a Samuel Young in 1901 and had further children. Trying also to ascertain to the name of Emily and Florence father and where they also lived.
Any help would be much appreciated.
thank you

malyon

malyon Report 7 Jun 2016 10:46

this is the 1901 census





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Emily Jones

England and Wales Census, 1901

Name Emily Jones
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Aston, Warwickshire, England
County Warwickshire
Civil Parish Aston
Ecclesiastical Parish St Lawrence
Sub-District Duddeston
Registration District Aston
Residence Note Dartmouth Street
Gender Female
Age 11
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1890
Birthplace B'Ham
Schedule Type 160
Page Number 31



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

William Jones Head M 52 B'Ham
Willm Jones Son M 21 B'Ham
Florence Jones Daughter F 16 B'Ham
Emily Jones Daughter F 11 B'Ham
Polly Jones Daughter F 9 B'Ham
Jack Jones Son M 5 B'Ham
Abel Jones Son M 3 B'Ham
William Colburn Step Son M 16 B'Ham
Alfred Colburn Step Son M
14 B'Ham
Geo Edwd Colburn Step Son M 11 B'Ham





















Emily Jones

England and Wales Census, 1901

Name Emily Jones
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Aston, Warwickshire, England
County Warwickshire
Civil Parish Aston
Ecclesiastical Parish St Lawrence
Sub-District Duddeston
Registration District Aston
Residence Note Dartmouth Street
Gender Female
Age 11
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1890
Birthplace B'Ham
Schedule Type 160
Page Number 31



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

William Jones Head M 52 B'Ham
Willm Jones Son M 21 B'Ham
Florence Jones Daughter F 16 B'Ham
Emily Jones Daughter F 11 B'Ham
Polly Jones Daughter F 9 B'Ham
Jack Jones Son M 5 B'Ham
Abel Jones Son M 3 B'Ham
William Colburn Step Son M 16 B'Ham
Alfred Colburn Step Son M
14 B'Ham
Geo Edwd Colburn Step Son M 11 B'Ham

malyon

malyon Report 7 Jun 2016 10:48

no parents mentioned living in same street as 1901 census

Name Emily Jones
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County Warwickshire
Parish Nechells
Ecclesiastical Parish ST LAWRENCE
Registration District Aston
Residence Note Dartmouth Street
Gender Female
Age 1
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1890
Birthplace Warwickshire, England
Page Number 13
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 2418/ 111



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

Minnie Jones Daughter F 8 Warwickshire, England
Florrie Jones Daughter F 6 Warwickshire, England
Emily Jones Daughter F 1 Warwickshire, England

Andrew

Andrew Report 7 Jun 2016 10:55

For ref


Name:Florence Jane S Jones
Registration Year:1889
Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:Aston
Parishes for this Registration District:
View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County:Warwickshire
Volume:6d
Page:323


Andy

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Jun 2016 11:01

This is the Ancestry version of that 1891 census posted by Malyon.

Parents Sarah and William, so presumably the same family as that in the 1901 posted by Malyon, - so not Emily senior's family, unless the girls had been sent to live with relatives.


Emily Jones
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Emily Jones
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Williams Jones
Mother's name: Sarah A Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: Dartmouth Street
Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2418
Folio: 111
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Williams Jones 43
Sarah A Jones 30
Lizzie Jones 14
Alfred Jones 11
William Jones 11
Minnie Jones 8
Florrie Jones 6
Emily Jones 1

brummie46

brummie46 Report 7 Jun 2016 11:08

Malyon, as Argyllgran mentioned its not the correct family but thank you for your time.
Andy thank you for your details but already have the same info.
Still hoping someone can find details of parents of young Emily and Florence.

malyon

malyon Report 7 Jun 2016 11:18

this could be William and Emily in 1891 census in Clapham




Attach to Family Tree











William Jones

England and Wales Census, 1891

Name William Jones
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County London
Parish Clapham
Ecclesiastical Parish ST JOHNS
Registration District Wandsworth
Residence Note Larkhall Lane
Gender Male
Age 42
Marital Status Married
Occupation Green Grocer
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1849
Birthplace England
Page Number 4
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 441/ 156



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

William Jones Head M 42 England
Emily Jones Wife F 39 England
William Jones Son M 18 England
George Jones Son M 15 England
Elizabeth Jones Daughter F 14 England
Thomas Jones Son M 12 England
Emily Jones Daughter F 9 England
Annie Jones Daughter F 7 England

brummie46

brummie46 Report 7 Jun 2016 11:20

Sorry Malyon don't think they were connected to Clapham.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Jun 2016 11:27

Just a possibility:

Florence Jones
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Florence Jones
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Patient
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
View image
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: Childrens Hospital
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2374
Folio: 137
Page Number: 3

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Jun 2016 11:35

Another possibility:

On Ancestry, this family is wrongly listed as lodgers in a completely different household.

Florence Jones
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Florence Jones
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: St Michael and St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Coventry
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 1 Warwick Lane
Registration district: Coventry
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2449
Folio: 146
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
George Jones 32 - iron polisher (?)
Emely Jones 23
Florence Jones 2
Ellen Jones 2/12 - maybe Emily known as Ellen to distinguish her from her mother ? - though maybe too young to be Emily junior?)


All born Birmingham.
(plus two lodgers)


Which of these births is your Emily?
Births Mar 1890 (>99%)
Jones Emily Aston 6d 360
Jones Emily Maud Aston 6d 283

Births Sep 1890 (>99%)
Jones Emily Aston 6d 256
Jones Emily Aston 6d 384

Births Dec 1890 (>99%)
Jones Emily Aston 6d 377

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Jun 2016 11:45

Possibly the marriage of that George and Emely ???

Marriages Sep 1885 (>99%)
Fisher Mary Elizabeth Aston 6d 404
Jones George Aston 6d 404 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
MORRIS Emily Aston 6d 404 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
SNAPE Charles Henry Aston 6d 404


Or maybe this one:

Marriages Sep 1885 (>99%)
Jones George Birmingham 6d 149 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
LILLEY Thomas Birmingham 6d 149
RILEY Edith Birmingham 6d 149
Tonks Emily Birmingham 6d 149 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I haven't checked the other names in later censuses.

Andrew

Andrew Report 7 Jun 2016 11:45

What about this??


Name:Florence Jones
Age:2
Estimated birth year:abt 1889
Relation:Lodger
Gender:Female
Where born:Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish:St Michael and St John
Ecclesiastical parish:St Michael
Town:Coventry
County/Island:Warwickshire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Registration district:Coventry
ED, institution, or vessel:13
Neighbors:
View others on page
Piece:2449
Folio:146
Page Number:12
Household Members:
Name
Age



George Jones 32
Emely Jones 23
Florence Jones 2
Ellen Jones 2/12

Andy








Andrew

Andrew Report 7 Jun 2016 11:48

and maybe marriage?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Jones George Coventry 6d 655
Lawrence Emily Jane Coventry 6d 655


Correct maiden name for Emily from original post.



Andy

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Jun 2016 11:50

Census already posted, Andy.

But not the marriage - looks good!

Brummie46 - why do you think Emily Lawrence was the mother?

malyon

malyon Report 7 Jun 2016 11:50

could this be the death of sarah ann jones in census 1891 same age


Deaths Jun 1892 (>99%)

Jones Sarah Ann 32 Birmingham 6d 69

brummie46

brummie46 Report 7 Jun 2016 11:52

argyllGran I think you have found some connection for I couldn't understand where the young Emily came from for we knew my husbands grandmother (Florence) had a younger sister named Nellie but didn't think this was her correct name, thought possibly could be Helen. So parents could be George and Emily so will see if I can find a marriage for them and also death for George for older Emily remarried in 1901.
thank you so much for your time, its much appreciated.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Jun 2016 11:52

I think we've ruled out that family with Sarah Ann, Malyon.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Jun 2016 11:53

Brummie46 - did you notice that Andy has posted a likely looking marriage for George & Emily?

Andrew

Andrew Report 7 Jun 2016 11:54

Sorry ArgyllGran, didn't your post.

Andy

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Jun 2016 11:57

Age doesn't match 1891 census - but maybe ???

Deaths Mar 1900 (>99%)
Jones George 38 Coventry 6d 412


OR

If they had moved to Birmingham before George died, this one fits better with the census re age:

Deaths Jun 1895 (>99%)
Jones George 37 Birmingham 6d 14