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Sarah Monday 1820-1897 Did she have any children ?

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Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 24 Jun 2016 06:16

Probably would have been Birth announcements in papers also, if they had children.

Chris :)

(if you don't have access through GR, or Find My Past, there is always below, subscription needed for all)

http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jun 2016 05:23

The sisters are still alive in 1871

Name Age
Mary Luscombe 65 Private Lady
Jane Luscombe 64
Sarah F Luscombe 61
Sabina Luscombe 58
Elizabeth Stabb 20 Servant

Address:- 4 Hewers Row

Jane and another sister still there in 1881

Name Age
Jas.L. Luscombe 70
Lavinia Luscombe 65 Sister
Ellen Northcott 30

Address:- 4 Hewers Row

It IS Lavinia on the image, but I think it has to be Sabina!!

and in 1891

Name Age
Jane L Luscombe 83
Sabina Luscombe 74
Rosina Reeves 26

Address:- 4 Hewers Row


They all died and were buried at Charles the Martyr, Plymouth, Sabina was the last one to die in 1905 .... a long lived family!!!!

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jun 2016 05:03

??? death of John Luscombe


Plymouth Deaths & Burials Transcription

First name(s) John
Last name Luscombe
Age 88
Birth year 1776
Burial year 1864
Burial date 28 Jul 1864
Denomination Anglican
Place Plymouth, Charles the Martyr
County Devon
Country England
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference 167/56
Page 151
Record set Devon Burials
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from United Kingdom





30 July 1864 - Liverpool Mercury - Liverpool, Mers
Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries

.July 28, at 4, Hewer's-row, Plymoath, aged 88, John Luscombe, esq Chevalier of the Orders of the Netherlands Lion anl of St. Ann, Russia, and for many years Consul and Vice-Consul

from image:-

Chevalier of the Orders of the Netherlands Lions and of St Ann, Russia, and for many years Consul and Vice-Consul at that port for the principal European Governments.


SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jun 2016 04:44

Baptisms of John's daughters ( and ??? William's sisters)


Plymouth Baptism Register Transcription

First name(s) Mary
Last name Luscombe
Birth year 1805
Birth date ? ? 1805
Baptism year 1805
Baptism date 19 Jun 1805
Denomination Anglican
Place Plymouth, Charles the Martyr
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
County Devon
Country England
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference -
Page 92
Record set Devon Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom


First name(s) Jane Lee
Last name Luscombe
Birth year 1806
Birth date 03 Jul 1806
Baptism year 1809
Baptism date 12 Apr 1809
Denomination Anglican
Place Plymouth, Charles the Martyr
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
County Devon
Country England
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference -
Page 123
Record set Devon Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom


First name(s) Sarah Frances
Last name Luscombe
Birth year 1809
Birth date ? ? 1809
Baptism year 1809
Baptism date 12 Apr 1809
Denomination Anglican
Place Plymouth, Charles the Martyr
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
County Devon
Country England
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference -
Page 123
Record set Devon Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom


First name(s) Sabina
Last name Luscombe
Birth year 1812
Birth date ? ? 1812
Baptism year 1812
Baptism date 17 Jan 1812
Denomination Anglican
Place Plymouth, Charles the Martyr
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
County Devon
Country England
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference -
Page 144
Record set Devon Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom


possible other child .............

Plymouth Baptism Register Transcription

First name(s) John
Last name Luscombe
Birth year 1802
Birth date ? ? 1802
Baptism year 1802
Baptism date 08 Jun 1802
Denomination Anglican
Place Plymouth, Charles the Martyr
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
County Devon
Country England
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference -
Page 70
Record set Devon Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom

note on image "said to be born 1802"

sheilafromdownunder

sheilafromdownunder Report 24 Jun 2016 04:26

Thank you very much I agree it could be either . I did find that William Luscombe was Mayor of Plymouth 1860-1801 and also 1869-1870 and a photo . So Sarah was Lady Mayoress She came up in the would x

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jun 2016 04:25

????????? could this be William's father in 1841???

Note the 1841 Census does not give relationships between members of households, except for Servants, and that ages are usually rounded down to the nearest 5

1841 Census

Name: John Luscombe
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1781
Gender: Male
Where born: Devon, England
Civil Parish: Charles The Martyr
Hundred: Roborough
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: Charles the Martyr

Piece: 271
Book: 14
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8

John Luscombe 60 Merchant
Mary Luscombe 30
Jane Luscombe 25
Sarah Luscombe 25
Salima Luscombe 20
Ann Sobey 25 Female Servant

Address:- 7 Vauxhall Street


and the same family in 1851 ..............

1851 Census

Name: John Luscombe
Age: 74
Estimated birth year: abt 1777
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Plymouth Charles the Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: Sutton on Plym
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: Charles
ED, institution, or vessel: 1f

Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 1878
Folio: 166
Page Number: 15

John Luscombe 74 Widower, Merchant and Consul for Sundry Foreign Governments
Mary Luscombe 46 b.ca 1805, Plymouth, Daughter
Jane L Luscombe 45 b.ca 1806, Plymouth, Daughter
Sarah F Luscombe 42 b.ca 1809. Plymouth, Daughter
Sabina Luscombe 40 b.ca 1811, Plymouth, Daughter
Charlotte Cummings 24 Servant in Family

Address:- 9 Vauxhall Street


and in 1861 ...........

1861 Census

Name: John Luscombe
Age: 84
Estimated birth year: 1777
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Charles
Town: Plymouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: Charles the Martyr
ED, institution, or vessel: 9

Household schedule number: 25
Piece: 1436
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6

John Luscombe 84 Widower, Ship Agent
Mary Luscombe 55 b.ca 1806, Plymouth, Daughter
Jane L Luscombe 54 b.ca 1807, Plymouth, Daughter
Sabina Luscombe 49 b.ca 1812, Plymouth, Daughter
Mary Ann Hombly 23 General Servant

Address:- 4 Flowers Row

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jun 2016 03:52

there seem to be two possible deaths for Eliza from the freebmd site, assuming she died in Plymouth

Deaths Dec 1852 (>99%)
LUSCOMBE Eliza Plymouth 5b 181

Deaths Sep 1853 (>99%)
Luscombe Eliza Plymouth 5b 158


I cannot find any record, such as burial, that would allow me to attempt to determine which one.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jun 2016 03:48

William and Eliza's marriage, with full details


Devon Marriages Transcription

First name(s) William
Last name Luscombe
Age Full
Birth year -
Marriage year 1838
Marriage date 26 May 1838
Denomination Anglican
Place Stoke Damerel
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Luscombe
Spouse's first name(s) Eliza
Spouse's last name Jarvis
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward
Spouse's father's last name Jarvis
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
County Devon
Record set Devon Marriages
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from United Kingdom

from image:-

William:-
Bachelor
Occupation:- Gentleman
Address:- 12 George Street
Father occupation:- Merchant

Eliza:-
Spinster
No occupation
Address:- Richmond Walk
Father occupation:- Sailmaker

Witnesses:- John Luscombe, (2 more witnesses, cannot decipher names)

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jun 2016 03:36

?????? William Luscombe's baptism

Father is given as John Luscombe on marriage to Sarah


Plymouth Baptism Register Transcription

First name(s) William
Last name Luscombe
Birth year 1810
Birth date 15 Oct 1810
Baptism year 1810
Baptism date 09 Nov 1810
Denomination Anglican
Place Plymouth, Charles the Martyr
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
County Devon
Country England
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference -
Page 134
Record set Devon Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom


SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jun 2016 03:22

and I think this is William Luscombe in 1841

1841 Census

Name: William Luscombe
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Devon, England
Civil Parish: St Andrew
Hundred: Roborough
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew

Piece: 270
Book: 5
Folio: 14
Page Number: 22

William Luscombe 30 Merchant
Eliza Luscombe 31 b.ca 1810, Devon
Elizabeth Gardner 24 Female Servant

Address:- Princess Place


No children shown in 1841 or 1851

sheilafromdownunder

sheilafromdownunder Report 24 Jun 2016 02:29

William Luscombe & his first wife Eliza Jarvis were married in 1838 . Eliza appears on the 1851census with William

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jun 2016 00:14

Sheila ............

I think your questions re children are going to be impossible to answer definitively.

This is largely because the only way to determine parents before July 1st 1837, and without buying lots of birth certificates after that date, is to find Parish Registers with baptisms for children with parents named and father's occupation and address shown.

There are a lot of those records on line, but lots more still to be transcribed.

Plus there is no way of knowing about miscarriages and still births, and finding deaths for any births that did occur has the same problem as finding births ....... the need to find parish Registers with the information.


New records are coming online gradually ............. but if you ask this same question again, please come back to this thread so that no-one else repeats all the work done and posted on this thread.

sheilafromdownunder

sheilafromdownunder Report 24 Jun 2016 00:02

Good morning Did William & Eliza have any children Please?
Thank you

sheilafromdownunder

sheilafromdownunder Report 23 Jun 2016 15:13

That must be Williams first wife malyon Thank you

malyon

malyon Report 23 Jun 2016 14:03




William Luscombe

England, Devon, Parish Registers

Name William Luscombe
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 1838
Event Place Devon
Spouse's Name Eliza Jarvis

sheilafromdownunder

sheilafromdownunder Report 23 Jun 2016 14:01

Thank you all it is Good Night from me as it is now 11 pm here :-D

malyon

malyon Report 23 Jun 2016 14:01

could this be the first marriage of William Luscombe


Event Type Census
Event Date 1851
Event Place Saint Andrew, Devon, England
Registration District Plymouth
Residence Note Princess Place
Gender Male
Age 40
Marital Status Married
Occupation Murchant Ship Agent
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1811
Birthplace Plymouth, Devonshire
Page Number 32
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1879 / 641
Affiliate Record Type Household



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

William Luscombe Head M 40 Plymouth, Devonshire
Eliza Luscombe Wife F 41 Devonport, Devonshire
Edward Jarvis Step Father M 78 Frogmore, Devonshire
Elizabeth Gardner Servant F 33 Devonport, Devonshire

sheilafromdownunder

sheilafromdownunder Report 23 Jun 2016 13:55

Chris Ho I knew Sarah remarried 3 years after the death of William Oakes but I had nothing in writing . And yes that is Sarah's will

Thank you

sheilafromdownunder

sheilafromdownunder Report 23 Jun 2016 13:50

O M G what a lot to take in. I'll have to take a hard copy & a cuppa to work it all out

Once again Thank you :-)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 23 Jun 2016 08:06

Can I just ask why the question mark by Death of William on opening post, when you already have 1855 details?...

Chris :)