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Death record was from Anc' but it is also on freebmd.org.uk

Deaths Mar 1968 (>99%)
NEWMAN CAROLINE E 85 WALTHAM FOR 5E 572

Oh that's odd! I don't know how happened. Maybe accidentally. I'm still trying to get used to this technologies etc. where did you find the death record at Waltham that shows the birth year? I was sure I checked a Waltham one on freebdm but it didn't match up but then perhaps I'm confused by it again :-)

Name: Caroline Eliza Foxwell
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 May 1882
Father's name: James Foxwell
Mother's name: Matilda Ann Foxwell
Parish or Poor Law Union: Rotherhithe St Barnabas
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

On the image it gives birthdate as 21st March 1882...which ties in which the date on the 1939 register.

backtomyroots, can I just mention that your other thread re Saunders has been deleted? i take it that you did so, but would respectfully suggest if a thread has info on that you leave it on the board.... someone may have something to add, or in the future someone connected to the family might see it and want to get in touch...also, you may want to return to it yoursefl if heaven forbid you lose the info ( if your computer crashes for instance ). .
:-)

Probable from 1939 Reg as the children's names rtie in with those on military records of george

Newman Household (6 People)
19 Wigram Square , Walthamstow M.B., Essex, England

Caroline E Newman 21 Mar 1882 Unpaid Domestic Duties
George J Newman 15 Feb 1882 Plater Printing Machine Winder
Matilda C Newman 04 Mar 1908 Book Folder
Lilian M Newman 25 Apr 1912 Shorthand Typist
William A Newman 23 Aug 1914 Printing Machine Spender
Olive B Making (Newman) 12 Nov 1919 Dressmaking Machinist

Possible


Name: Caroline E Newman
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Mar 1968
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Waltham Forest
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5e
Page: 572

This is Caroline named on her husbands military record WW1

Caroline Eliza Foxwell
in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920

Name: Caroline Eliza Foxwell
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 26 Feb 1905
Marriage Place: Rotherhithe
Document Year: 1916
Residence Place: 194 Fleeming Rd
Relationship to Soldier: Spouse
Form Title: Descriptive Report Enlistment
Other Records:
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
George James Newman Self (Head)
Caroline Eliza Foxwell Spouse
Matilda Caroline Newman Child
Lilian May Newman Child
William Alfred Newman Child

This is what I mean about Ancestry being useful for LMA records, you can see the images,

Caroline Eliza Foxwell

Name: Caroline Eliza Foxwell
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Age: 22
Spouse: George James Newman
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Feb 1905
Parish: St Mary, Rotherhithe
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: James Foxwell
Spouse Father: George James Newman
Register Type: Parish Register

Hmmm I found the census and she married george james newman and they had two kids by 1911, one died :-( I cannot find her death anywhere. I found one caroline E newman who dies in St Olave in 1933 but she is 78 so its way off. I checked the whole list on freeBDM and none of the ages match up. Anyone have a clue please?

If you try to re-do that free membership with ancestry you can even find her marriage certificate.


Remember ............ you do have to give credit card information before you can start the "free" membership, and that is why we say let them know 2 or 3 days before the 14 days are up that you do not wish to continue, otherwise they WILL charge your credit card.

so this is Caroline's marriage registration, she married one of two men ............

Marriages Mar 1905 (>99%)
DAY Sidney Thomas St. Olave 1d 250
FOXWELL Caroline Eliza St. Olave 1d 250
Newman George James St. Olave 1d 250
YOUNG Martha St . Olave 1d 250

Caroline married either Sidney Thomas Day OR George James Newman


So to find out who she married you look on the 1911 Census for EITHER Caroline Day with husband Sidney OR Caroline Newman with husband George ............ in each case using her birth year +/- 2 and birthplace as London

You should get your answer in one try!

I found her baptism very easily on ancestry

London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Caroline Eliza Foxwell
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 May 1882
Father's name: James Foxwell
Mother's name: Matilda Ann Foxwell
Parish or Poor Law Union: Rotherhithe St Barnabas
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

from image:-
Born:- March 21 1882
Address:- St Helena Rd
Father occupation:- Lighterman


and this is her birth registration ..........

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Caroline Eliza Foxwell
Registration Year: 1882
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 304

I figured out this is Robert Nicholas son of James and Matilda.

The caroline(1882) hasn't come up before. I dont get any results for her in 1891 census or any other census. I presume she is Roberts sister. I found her birth in 1882 and marriage in 1905 but not sure who she married or why she is in no further census? and so can't find death either.

Is this the 1901 Census you're talking about???

1901 Census

Name: Robert Foxwell
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Maud Foxwell
Birth Place: Rotherhithe, London, England
Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
Search Photos: Search for 'Rotherhithe' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 08

Piece: 398
Folio: 26
Page Number: 43
Household schedule number: 284

Robert Foxwell 25
Maud Foxwell 24
Robert Foxwell 4
Albert Foxwell 3
Mary Foxwell 27
Caroline Foxwell 19

Information added from image:-

Robert Foxwell 25 Lighterman (Barge)
Maud Foxwell 24 b.ca 1877, Rotherhithe
Robert Foxwell 4 b.ca 1897, Rotherhithe
Albert Foxwell 3 b.ca 1898, Rotherhithe
Mary Foxwell 27 b.ca 1874, Rotherhithe, Sister, Packer in Paper Trade
Caroline Foxwell 19 b.ca 1882, Rotherhithe, Sister, Paper Cigarette Maker


As you can see, by looking at the image, I have confirmed that it does NOT say Visitor, therefore the assumption is that they are all living together in the same house.


where do you look at the censuses??

Can you not open the actual image of the census so you can see what is actually written on there, so you can check that the transcription is correct???????

If they are visiting, the record will show Visitor

LOOK at the census image!!!!

I found a 1901 census for a Robert and Maude foxwell in st olave. Im pretty sure this is my robert foxwell(1876) son of James(1851) and matilda. In the census it has two sister there caroline and Mary. I guess we wouldnt know if they are living there or just happen to be visiting right? In the 1881 census he appears to be Robert P but then in the 1911 he is down as Robert N unless Im mistaken somehow.

Could somebody please confirm for me?

oh that's good will have another look.

Rambling Rose. I contacted the site and they said they have rebuilt it and they aren't aware of dead links which is very odd. However on the dead links page which returns a 404 error there is a menu up the top of the page and the links all work from there.

I was going to say has the owner of the site died! Thats sad that the site is now in disarray with so many dead links.

The site does seem to have stalled somewhat, following the death of its founder.
But if you google Lightermen you will find lots of general info.

Findmypast has the apprenticeship/binding records which is where I found the info I posted here:

"The Company of Watermen & Lightermen of the River Thames binding records
1692-1949

82,238 records of apprentice binding books, which include details of each apprentice's binding to his master.

The Company of Watermen & Lightermen of the River Thames reassignments
1688-1908

A list of apprentices who were reassigned from one master to another ? 12,410 records, including information about both masters and apprentices.

Thomas Doggett Coat & Badge records
1715-2010

A record of all known competitors who rowed in the annual Thomas Doggett Coat & Badge race 1715-2010 ? 4,402 records.

Corporation of Trinity House
1829-1864

A register of licences granted to ex-mariners to work as watermen on the River Thames 1829-1864 ? 90 records.

These records are licensed from local specialist Rob Cottrell."