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If we have the right Frederick James the 1911 census is what i found also

The occupation for Joseph Anderson Frederick' s father I got off ancestry they have the certificate but it could be flat man

Thank you for pointing that out

I think I have got enough now to continue with the family

Thank you for all your help

Sylvia

(looking on below, Old Occupations)

Chris :)

http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html

Flatman / Floatman Boatman on a flat bottom boat (a flat) used in shallow waters (mainly rivers and canals) for transport. The term also came to refer to shallow-draft coastal sailing vessels.

Death of Frederick James Anderson in 1974 gives his date of birth as 31 Mar 1908 which ties in with 1939 Register information

Deaths Jun 1974
ANDERSON FREDERICK JAMES 31MR1908 MANCHESTER 38 966

Details of the Marriage of Joseph Anderson to Annie Jane Box follow

Marriage 25 Sep 1905 in the Parish of West Kirby in the County of Chester

Groom Joseph Anderson, Bachelor, aged 20, Occupation Labourer
Address 184 Oliver Street, Birkenhead
Father Joseph Anderson, Occupation Flatman

Bride Annie Jane Box, Spinster, aged 27
Address 21 Grange Rd, West Kirby
Father Edward Box (Deceased) Farmer

Witnesses John Rowland & Alice Graves

Sorry, had to take the dog for walk before the light went.

So is the 1911 Census that I have given correct?

Also, you say that the occupation given for Joseph Anderson (father) on Frederick James's Marriage Cert is Hat Man could it possibly be Tug Man instead?

What are you trying to find out about Frederick James Anderson?

(are you sure that doesn't say Boat Man, or similar on that Cert.?, a lot of men on below image relating to dock work, one a Tugboat man)

Chris :)

1939 Register (Find My Past)

New Chester Road , Birkenhead C.B., Cheshire,
Annie J Anderson 28 Aug 1878 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Joseph Anderson 31 Jul 1884 Male General Labourer Married
Daisy Taylor (Anderson) 02 May 1920 Female Daily Domestic Single

(also on image, below. Dock Labourer)

Births Sep 1915 (>99%)
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Anderson Sydney W F Box Birkenhead 8a 757


Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1915 to 1917

ANDERSON Sydney William Frank (Mother Maiden Name) BOX Birkenhead Wirral BIR/270/23


Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1905

BOX Annie Jane ANDERSON Joseph West Kirby, St Bridget Wirral BK74/2/12


Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1908

ANDERSON Frederick James BOX Birkenhead Wirral BIR/238/99

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1929

HORNBY Martha ANDERSON Frederick James Bradford, St. Aidan Manchester 84/6/345

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php

I think I have him born 1908 Birkenhead father Joseph Anderson 1880 mother Annie Jane Box 1878, got the 1911 census and birth for 1908

Sorry thought you meant you knew that some of Frederick J Anderson's siblings where born in Birkenhead.

Sorry not sure which children you mean ?
Frederick Anderson b 1908 Birkenhead ---husband of Martha his father was Joseph

Frederick & Martha's children born in Birkenhead

Vera 1930
Norman F 1932
Olive R1934

This could be the family in the 1911 Census although Father, Joseph, is not a Hat Man but I suppose it is conceivable that he could have changed his occupation by 1929

Name: Joseph Anderson
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Search Photos: Search for 'Birkenhead' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: 15 St Anns St Birkenhead
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Labourer On Tug Boat
Registration district: Birkenhead
Registration District Number: 452
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 21968
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Anderson 28
Annie Jane Anderson 33
Frederick Anderson 3

There is only one Frederick James Anderson born between 1907 and 1909 which is the following

Births Jun 1908
Anderson Frederick James Birkenhead 8a 466

So if Frederick J in the 1939 Register was born on 31 Mar 1908 this would be the correct Birth Registration for him

What were the names and ages of the children?

Just noticed the confusion The Frederick Hornby living at Martha Street is the brother of Martha who married James Frederick Anderson

Too many Fredericks

The trouble with my tree is I have so many with the same name it takes me a long time to sort it out
I've got all the info on the Sidgreaves / Hornby marriage

But this is more closer to home and I have had contact with a distant relative who is connected to the family Anderson's who I'm trying to get a bit more on.

apology accepted and thank you

(apologies then, thought Jane Sidgreaves/Frederick Hornby Marriage might be useful, mgnv had added some details)

Chris :)

Chris
The post has nothing to do with Martha Hornby & Frederick James Anderson !!!
Yes it is one of my topics and it has Hornby mostly about Foster Hornby

but as I've said I'm trying to find out about the Anderson Family.
I have found a few of the children were born in Birkenhead

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1353595

(other 'Thread' has Marriage reference, last post)

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(above also, if anything else to help)

Chris :)

http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/

(Gorton might be useful also)

Sorry for delay had to go out
Right I have a Frederick Hornby 1878 married to Jane Sidgreave these are the Parents of Martha Hornby b 1908 who married Frederick James Anderson in 1929 I have his dare of birth 1908? going off his marriage certificate can't read the address
his father is down s Joseph Anderson a Hat Man
This is the family I want to trace I have Frederick was born in Manchester but not sure about this, apparently they lived in Liverpool but they married in Manhester

Oops! Sorry! That's 2 of us who got in a muddle :-D

Thanks for pointing that out DET 1903 is the correct year... although I should add I haven't corrected my original post!