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Looking for Herbert Allen Cooper

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Ann

Ann Report 17 Nov 2016 12:54

Good afternoon wondering if someone maybe able to help.

I have Herbert Allen Cooper b 1893 Bolton (Horwich) Lancashire
Looking through Find My Past site over last weekend I came across a Killed in Action papers for a Herbert Allen Cooper, but no Service Records.

So looking for Service Records if they survived

the information I have is as follows
SM Herbert Allen Cooper
Service No. 17236
Serving with The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment
Killed in Action: Mesopotamia
Date of Death: 15/02/1917

Name included on the Basra Memorial
Plot: Panel 27

Many thanks

Researching:
Walker , Thornley and Hunt from Westhoughton area Lancashire also Cooper, James, Roscow, Scowcroft from Horwich and Bolton area of Lancashire and James from Westmorland

Potty

Potty Report 17 Nov 2016 13:27

This from Ancestry:

Herbert Allen Cooper
in the UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929


Name:
Herbert Allen Cooper

Gender:
Male

Death Date:
15 Feb 1917

Death Place:
Mesopotamia

Rank:
Acting Company Sergeant Major

Regiment:
Loyal North Lancashire Regiment

Regimental Number:
17236

His effects went to his uncle, Thomas Chesnall

safc

safc Report 17 Nov 2016 13:29

https://goo.gl/K6bw0l

Researching:
Abby says please do not send messages to safc, always reply on your thread, as Abby is just a paying member of genes reunited. helping other members. thank you.

Ann

Ann Report 17 Nov 2016 13:57

Thank you Potty
Thomas Chisnall, was his mothers brother.

Researching:
Walker , Thornley and Hunt from Westhoughton area Lancashire also Cooper, James, Roscow, Scowcroft from Horwich and Bolton area of Lancashire and James from Westmorland

Ann

Ann Report 17 Nov 2016 17:56

Thanks safc just been reading info on the site and have now found Herberts brother Fred

Fred Cooper bc 1895 Bolton (Horwich) Lancashire

no other details other than his home address and his Rank: Lieutenant

Is there any service records for Fred?

Researching:
Walker , Thornley and Hunt from Westhoughton area Lancashire also Cooper, James, Roscow, Scowcroft from Horwich and Bolton area of Lancashire and James from Westmorland

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Nov 2016 22:22

Answers to the question about Fred are on Ann's other thread:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1363282

Researching:
Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 18 Nov 2016 09:05

That link gives you reference to mentions in Newspapers, also date, would be at below...

http://www.boltonmuseums.org.uk/archives/archives-indexes/bolton-newspapers

Chris :)

Bolton Journal and Guardian

(not seeing on FMP)

Ann

Ann Report 18 Nov 2016 12:23

Thanks Chris Ho
Unfortunately I do not live in Lancashire and these newspapers are only available locally in the Bolton area

Researching:
Walker , Thornley and Hunt from Westhoughton area Lancashire also Cooper, James, Roscow, Scowcroft from Horwich and Bolton area of Lancashire and James from Westmorland

safc

safc Report 18 Nov 2016 17:27

can't find any service records

could this be fred
he could of named his son after his brother herbert

Fred Cooper on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Cooper Household (3 People) 69 Oxford Grove , Bolton C.B., Lancashire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Fred Cooper 27 Oct 1894 Male Iron Foundry Labourer (Heavy Married 143 1
Ida Cooper 27 Nov 1896 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 143 2
Herbert Cooper 12 Aug 1922 Male Farm Tester Cotton Spinners & Weaver Single 143 4

you will need to buy marriage cert to find out if it is fred

Marriages Sep 1919 (>99%)
Barnes Jane Jones Bolton 8c 1117
Cooper Fred Yates Bolton 8c 1117 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Jones Edward Barnes Bolton 8c 1117
Yates Ida Cooper Bolton 8c 1117 xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Researching:
Abby says please do not send messages to safc, always reply on your thread, as Abby is just a paying member of genes reunited. helping other members. thank you.

Ann

Ann Report 18 Nov 2016 18:29

Not sure could well be I will have to do a bit more research many thanks safc

Researching:
Walker , Thornley and Hunt from Westhoughton area Lancashire also Cooper, James, Roscow, Scowcroft from Horwich and Bolton area of Lancashire and James from Westmorland

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 19 Nov 2016 11:40

Ann, not sure which thread to post on!

I've posted the correct 1939 register for Fred on your other thread:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1363294?jump=1363294

He was born 31 May 1895

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 19 Nov 2016 13:28

I assume you have his sister as well Ann

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1893
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
COOPER Herbert A CHISNALL Great Bolton Bolton GB/23/149

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1895
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
COOPER Fred CHISNALL Horwich Bolton HOR/34/162

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1900
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
COOPER Dora CHISNALL Horwich Bolton HOR/43/372

Researching:
Liverpool (Cartwright, Chambers, Miller), Todmorden (Sutcliffe, Mallison), Abergavenny (Watkins, Prosser)