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No joy finding them in 1911. :-(

I have looked and looked but can't find any of them on the 1911 either not even Stanely.

From a pm from Malcolm

' The only record I can find regarding Stanley Frederick Cockshaw , pre the 1920's, is a school admission record in Derby in 1913 of a Stanley Healey, born 6th Oct 1906, father's name 'Harry' .'

So Harry Cockshaw was acting as father to Stanley before the 1915 wedding?

So can we find them in Derby in 1911, not Dartford and not Leicester, or had they just moved to the area in 1913, so could be anywhere in 1911?

Stanley Healey 1906 1913 (Admission 7/4/1913) Derby British School, Orchard Street School (Later Lancaster Secondary Modern) Infants Derby Admissions (Find My Past)

(on that image, under Occupation for Father, says, In Prison. Name of Last School, Leicester. Address, Bk 22 Goodwin St. Left 9/5/1913. Cause, Out of town)

Chris :)

Malcolm also put:

'Harry Cockshaw, born 1883. was a regular soldier in the Rifle Brigade during the years 1901 to 1913 and served throughout WW1 from September 1914 until 1919. I understand that around 1906 the Rifle Brigade were stationed in Ireland. '

so was Mr Healey in prison or Mr Cockshaw?

And why did they move to and from Dartford if Thomas Healey was a farm labourer?

In 1911 census 21 and 22 Goodwin Street have lodgers, including those staying just overnight.

I also cannot find any records from 1911 for Stanley, Lilian or Harry. As Harry Cockshaw was a regular soldier from 1901 to 1913 I presumed he would be with his unit in 1911.

I also cannot find record of marriage between Thomas Healey and Lilian. Am I correct in thinking that, in 1906, a couple would have to be married to have their child baptised?

Can I thank you all for the interest you have shown and the details supplied, especially patchem and kucinta, the link to the 1906 baptism was completely new to me and I am trying to follow it up.

Re Stanley's birth record - it's not just that Stanley doesn't seem to be on the GRO index image, but the reference details don't make sense.


Searching Dec qr 1906 on FreeBMD just with the volume and page numbers of 2A 632 (no place name, no person's name) produces no results at all, anywhere.

Searching Dartford Dec qr 1906 (no person's name, no ref. nos.) produces lots of results, all with vol no 2A, but none with page no 632.

If you're ordering a copy of it, Malcolm, it will be interesting to see if GRO can produce one.

ArgyllGran,

I also searched on December quarter 1906 page 632 anywhere, but with that Dartford baptism we do have information.

Malcolm,

How would the Church know that they were not married, if they just claimed they were......

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(the Baptism is also on above link, not sure if any other names relate to Thomas)

Chris :)

(only below seems to be near time, and Dartford)

Baptism
County Kent
Place Dartford
Church name Holy Trinity
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 2714
Baptism date 6 Nov 1901
Person forename Rose
Person abode 2 Acorn Cottages, East Hill
Father forename Henry
Father surname HEALEY
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Elizabeth


1901
Henry Healey Head Married Male 25 1876 Engineers Labourer Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Healey Wife Married Female 25 1876 - Staffordshire, England (West Bromwich)
Edward Healey Son Single Male 1 1900 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Acorn Cottages,
Parish Dartford
County Kent
Registration district Dartford
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 702
Folio 69
Page 19


(1911 at 7 Redcar Street Middlesbrough)


http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D1863908

(if anything more on Harry/Army reference)

Edits (address on bottom of Medal Card, Sneinton Hostel, Boston St. Notts. On google search now as Salvation Army)

Thanks again for info. Forgive my ignorance regarding having to be married to have baptism.

Argyllgran

Have ordered birth cert 02A 632 will see what happens.

HEALEY, STANLEY FREDERICK COLLINS
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 632

Has anyone seen this???? Down as a boarder but no other Healy's on the other people. It is also spelt Healy.

1911

Name: Stanley Healey
Age in 1911: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1908
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Sydenham, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Greenwich
Search Photos: Search for 'Greenwich' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 45 Blackheath Road, Greenwich SE
Registration district: Greenwich
Registration District Number: 28
Sub-registration district: Greenwich West
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 2681
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen Baker 24
Stanley Healey 3
Henry Moore 24
Walter Jackson 22
John Mullens 24

Thought he might be this one:

Births Sep 1907
Healy Stanley Cecil F Lewisham 1d 1173

no Mother's maiden name showing on GRO

Stanley Healey lived in the Loughborough, Leicestershire area during the years 1914 to 1919, he remembered being settled in school during this time as previously it seemed he was moving from place to place at short intervals. Lily Healey married Harry Cockshaw in Loughborough in 1915.

Harry Cockshaw was wounded in Nov/Dec 1916 during WW1, his relatives were listed as living in Loughborough at that time.

I have nine different addresses for Harry and Lily Cockshaw 1922 to 1944.

Thanks again to you all

The copy of Stanley's birth certificate has arrived. His DOB is 6th October 1906 so it seems this must be the Stanley Frederick Healey/Cockshaw I have been searching for.

The place of birth is given as 'The Huts, Westwood, Southfleet'. Am I correct in thinking these 'Huts' were where the summer 'hop pickers' lived during their stay whilst working?

The address of mother Lilian Healey is given as 37 West Hill, Dartford. I cannot find this address on the 1911 census.

Any ideas to trace the father, Thomas Healey, occupation Farm Labourer. Have no other info for him.

Thanks for all your help.

It's probably just co-incidence, but I beliew Dartford workhouse fronted on to West Hill, and sometimes with Workhouses an address was given, rather than 'The workhouse' to avoid stigma. I have no idea whether the workhouse would have been recorded as No 37, nor any evidence for that.

Even if it was, Lilian may just have gone in there to give birth, as pre NHS it was often the only place poorer women could gtr medical assistance.

I might be totally off beam with this though.

After some googling, seems my hunch was right, and 37 West Hill is either the hospital or associated workhouse, according to a thread about the address on another genealogy site:

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/KENT-ENG/2005-06/1119679753

More on the workhouse

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Dartford/

Re 'the Huts', you may well be right about the hop pickers. On the other hand, my impoverished ancestors had 'The Huts' Lime Terrace Warlingham as their address in 1891, and they weren't even farm workers, so maybe it just refers to a somewhat downmarket dwelling.

Westwood, Southfleet was the address given for Thomas Healey, farmworker and Lilian on the baptism register. Maybe Thomas Healey worked on Westwood Farm?

"Westwood is a hamlet in the parish of Southfleet in Kent, England, in the west of the parish.

It is one mile west of the village of Southfleet. In the 19th century it was one of only two hamlets within the parish, the other being Betsham, in addition to the main village [1]

It lies around the crossroads formed by Westwood Road (which leads to Betsham), Highcross Road (leads to Bean), Whitehall Road (leads to Longfield) and Hook Green Road (leads to Southfleet village).[2] The Wheatsheaf Public House, near the crossroads, is a Grade II Listed Building. This dates from 15th – 16th century and is a timber-framed building, faced with plaster, with a hipped thatched roof.[3] Nearby is Westwood farm."

Maybe if Thomas Healey was some sort of itinerant farm worker, such as a hop picker, they were just on the move so much that they slipped through the census net.

It certainly seems that Thomas and Lilian weren't married.