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Marriage of Henry looks good and incredibly, the chap that I'm doing this for lives in Alton, Hampshire !
:-)

What did you think to Marriage of Henry posted above, Brother of Charles Edward?...

Chris :)

Britain School & University rolls 1914-1918 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Charles Edward Smith
Last name Harris
School / university name University of Edinburgh
Narrative MB, ChB 1899. Royal Navy, Surgeon-Lieut, August 1914. H.M. Ships Fearless and Endeavour.
Source University of Edinburgh
Roll Record of War Service
Country Scotland
Record set Britain School & University Memorial Rolls 1914-1918
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War


(google bringing up a lot about book)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/...CHARLES-EDWARD-SMITH-HARRIS/s?...2...
From The Deep Of The Sea - From The Diary Of Charles Edward Smith, Surgeon of the Whale-Ship Diana, of Hull. 15 Mar 2007. by Charles Edward Smith Harris ...


(reference to Marriage?)

Marriages Sep 1882 (>99%)
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Harris Alfred West Ward 10b 941
SMITH Grace Elizabeth W.Ward 10b 941

Charles E S Harris in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Charles E S Harris
Birth Date: abt 1878
Date of Registration: Dec 1950
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Worthing
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 693


Charles Edward Smith Harris in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-199
Name: Charles Edward Smith Harris
Death Date: 20 Nov 1950
Death Place: Sussex, England
Probate Date: 8 May 1951
Registry: London, England

Of 41 Fircroft Avenue, Lancing, Sussex........No widow mentioned on the probate.

On a final note, there was a grandson, Charles Edward Smith, he was born in NZ in 1877 (thank you Chris Ho !) and ended up in England where his father died in 1879. His mother remarried to one Alfred Harris and CES later added Harris to his name. As Charles Edward Smith Harris he became a doctor, was decorated during WW1 and later turned up as a surgeon on Mauretania. (newspaper article 1930) I can find no record of a marriage or children and one possible record of death (Lancing, Sussex, 1950) Can anyone confirm that is his death and there was no wife or children ? Thank you, Kevin.

Yes, I think I've pinned Charles down to 1887, he appeared in the 1881 census aged 80. Something in the back of my mind tells me Essex records can be seen online via their own website, I'll check tomorrow, ta !
My O.P is now translated as the birth of one Charles 1801 (not 1800) and the death of his son Charles in 1879.

Where are you looking?...

Chris :)

Deaths Sep 1879 (>99%)
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Smith Charles Edward 41 Witham 4a 210


Death
1879/2307 Smith Frederic Henry 3M

(from below)

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search


(looks like a lot of Family names on below. Find My Past, details would need to be seen at Essex Record Office)

Essex Memorial Inscriptions


Edits

16 September 1879 - Essex Herald - Chelmsford, Essex, England

The remains of Mr. Charles Edward Smith, physician, were interred at the Friends’ burial ground, Coggeshall, Thursday, the 11th inst.


29 May 1846 - Chelmsford Chronicle - Chelmsford, Essex, England

Death
18th inst. deeply regretted, Louisa, the wife of Charles Smith, of Coggeshall, estate agent, and daughter the late Richard Bowman, formerly of the Wapping brewery, London.


(if the Son Henry below)

Marriages Mar 1879 (>99%)
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JEFFS Margaretta Ely 3b 660
SMITH Henry Ely 3b 660


28 February 1879 - Chelmsford Chronicle - Chelmsford, Essex, England

Marriage
On the 15th inst., at the Lady chapel, Ely Cathedral, by the Rev. Canon Bulstrode, Harry Smith, of Ely, Cambridgeshire, youngest son of Charles Smith, of Coggeshall, Essex, to Margarretta. fourth daughter the late William Jeffs, of Piccadilly.


1881 (Find My Past)
Harry Smith Head Married Male 37 1844 Licensed Victualler Coggeshall, Essex, England
Margaritta Smith Wife Married Female 24 1857 - London, Middlesex, England
Harry Smith Son Single Male 1 1880 - Southampton, Hampshire, England
Annie Newton Pattison Barmaid Single Female 26 1855 Barmaid Hertfordshire, England
Mary Mildred Gibson Waitress Single Female 23 1858 Waitress Dom. Servant Petworth, Sussex, England
Annie Money Chamber Maid Single Female 34 1847 Chambermaid Dom Servant Hampshire, England
Annie Pharo Cook Single Female 23 1858 Cook Domestic Servant Farnham, Surrey, England
Mary Hockley Nursemaid Single Female 16 1865 Nursemaid Dom Serv Alton, Hampshire, England
House name Swan Hotel
Street High Street
Parish Alton
County Hampshire
Registration district Alton
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 1246
Folio 29
Page 5


Births Dec 1879 (>99%)
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Smith Male Southampton 2c 43


SMITH, - (JEFFS)
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 43


04 November 1910 - Chelmsford Chronicle - Chelmsford, Essex, England

DEATH OF MR. FREDERIC SMITH.
Mr. Frederic Smith, who was the owner of and formerly resided at Mount Park, Coggeshall, died at his residence at Clacton on Saturday after a protracted illness. He formerly carried on business as a corn merchant at Stratford. The funeral took place yesterday (Thursday) in Cogeshall Cemetery.
The deceased was well known and respected in West Ham and South Essex generally. He became a member of the Town Council, on it's formation in 1886, and sat for fifteen years. He was elected to the Aldermanic Bench, and became the fourth Mayor of West Ham.


https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

(see Probate Entry, 1911)


05 May 1900 - Essex Newsman - Chelmsford, Essex, England

Death
SMITH - On April 26th, inst., at Mount Park,Coggeshall, Anne, the beloved wife of Frederic Smith, J.P., formerly Stratford, in her 65th year.


15 February 1902 - Essex Newsman - Chelmsford, Essex, England

Marriage
SMITH—EMMERSON - On the 12th inst, at the Friends Meeting House, Colchester, Frederic Smith, J.P., of Mount Park, Coggeshall, Essex, to Nlna Frances, youngest daughter of the late W. L. Emmerson, M.D. Leicester, formerly of Tynemouth Northumberland.

I'm having trouble with the death of Frederick and the death of Charles senior.

Sounds like a sad end for Charles and family.
.

Nice one, thanks !

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT18760504.2.6?query=charles edward smith

(Marriage above)

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OAM18791027.2.6?query=charles edward smith

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NOT18790201.2.6?query=charles edward smith


(references to NZ, from below)

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers

Chris :)

Dunedin probate files

SMITH Charles Edward - Otepopo, and Kelvedon, Essex, England - Physician and Surgeon
ORDER DETAILS » 1882 1882 Dunedin High Court

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/


https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search

Birth
1878/9875 Smith Frederic Henry Grace Elizabeth Charles Edward

Birth
1877/10333 Smith Charles Edward Grace Elizabeth Charles Edward

Charles Edward Smith in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Charles Edward Smith
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Registration Year: 1879
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 41
Registration district: Witham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 210


Charles Edward Smith in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Charles Edward Smith
Death Date: 6 Sep 1879
Death Place: Essex, England
Probate Date: 3 Jun 1880
Registry: Principal Registry

Formerley of Otcpopo Otago in New Zealand but late of Kelvedon in the County of Essex Physician who died 6th Sep 1879 at Kelvedon was proved at the Principle Registry by Frederick Smith of Stratford in the said County Corn Merchant the Brother of one of the Executors.

Personal Estate under £1,500

Thank you and well done everyone , particularly Holly, I've been given a tree to look through and I could see anomalies but couldn't suss them out ! Excellent.

SMITH, HENRY (BOWMAN)
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in WITHAM Volume 12 Page 280


SMITH, CHARLES EDWARD (BOWMAN)
GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in WITHAM Volume 12 Page 220

(quite a lot of reference, Surgeon on google search, whale ship Diana, and Newspapers)


England & Wales, Society of Friends (Quaker) Births 1578-1841 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Frederic
Last name Smith
Birth year 1830
Birth date 22 Feb 1830
Birth place as transcribed Coggeshall
Birth county as transcribed Essex
Father's first name(s) Charles (Occ. Baker)
Mother's first name(s) Louisa
Meeting place Coggeshall
Monthly meeting Coggeshall
Quarterly meeting Essex


England & Wales, Society of Friends (Quaker) Marriages 1578-1841 (Find My Past)

First name(s) Louisa
Last name Bowman
Marriage year 1829
Marriage date 23 Apr 1829
Marriage place as transcribed Norwich
Marriage parish as transcribed Norwich
Marriage county as transcribed Norfolk
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Bowman
Spouse's first name(s) Charles (Occ. Baker)
Spouse's last name Smith
Meeting place Norfolk
(Son of Peter Smith, late of Great Waltham, and Elizabeth, his wife, surviving)


Marriages Mar 1867 (>99%)
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CAMM Anne Witham 4a 349
SMITH Frederic Witham 4a 349

Chris :)

Edits

19 January 1867 - Cambridge Independent Press - Cambridge, Cambridgeshire

Marriage
Smith—Camm - Jan. 10, at the Friend's Meeting-house, Coggeshall, Frederic Smith, High-street, Stratford, corn dealer, son of Charles Smith, of Coggeshall, estate-agent, to Anne, daughter the late Thomas Camm, of Selby, Yorkshire.

Just had a look through the records.....

It was Charles and Louisa's son Charles Edward who was the Surgeon!!

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Church Street, Great Coggeshall, Witham, Essex, England

Charles Smith Head Widower Male 60 1801 Estate Agent Great Waltham, Essex, England
Louisa B Smith Daughter Unmarried Female 27 1834 - Essex, England
Charles E Smith Son Unmarried Male 23 1838 >>>Medical Student<<< Essex, England
Henry Smith Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Estate Agent Essex, England
Sarah Bush Servant Unmarried Female 21 1840 House Servant Essex, England


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
The Green, Dalston, Carlisle, Cumberland, England

Paul Moffatt Head - Male 33 1838 - Northumberland, England
Isabella Moffatt Wife - Female 32 1839 - Northumberland, England
Charles E Moffatt Son - Male 2 1869 - Cumberland, England
Juliet J Moffatt Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Cumberland, England
Louis M Moffatt Son - Male 0 1871 - Cumberland, England
Charles E Smith Boarder - Male 33 1838 - Essex, England ASSISTANT SURGEON
Ann Vipond Nurse - Female 63 1808 - Lancashire, England
Sarah Maxwell Servant - Female 21 1850 - Cumberland, England
Margaret Graham Servant - Female 16 1855 - Cumberland, England
Andrew Morton Servant - Male 40 1831 - Northumberland, England


Night! ;-)

The 1871 posted above......states father Charles is an Estate Agent.

Edit: I have found what i think is the above Charles on the 1861 and 1851 census records and he still an Estate Agent.

Charles Smith in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Charles Smith
Death Date: 5 Apr 1887
Death Place: Essex, England
Probate Date: 14 May 1887
Registry: Ipswich

The Will with a Codicil of Charles Smith formerley of Great Coggeshall in the County of Essex........Estate Agent

Proved by Frederick Smith of High Street, Statford, in the County Essex.......Corn Merchant and Henry Smith of Tunbridge Wells...Boarding House Proprietor.

Personal Estate......£259 11s


Will check back on here tomorrow.

Prickles. o))

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Street, West Ham, Essex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frederic Smith Head - Male 31 1840 - Essex, England
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Ann Smith Wife - Female 35 1836 - Yorkshire, England
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Frederic C Smith Son - Male 3 1868 - Essex, England
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Caroline Smith Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Essex, England
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Charles Smith Father - Male 70 1801 - Essex, England
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Martha Caunn Sister-In-Law - Female 30 1841 - Yorkshire, England
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Frederick Edwards Assistant - Male 25 1846 - Buckinghamshire, England
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Elizabeth Shaw - - Female 22 1849 - Cambridgeshire, England

frederick 1840 is a corn merchant

SMITH, FREDERIC CHARLES CAMM Order
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 04A Page 11

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Romford Road, West Ham, Essex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Anne Smith Wife Married Female 55 1836 - Brayton, Yorkshire, England
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Frederic C Smith Son Single Male 23 1868 Corn Merchant West Ham, Essex, England
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Caroline Smith Daughter Single Female 20 1871 - West Ham, Essex, England
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Henry B Smith Son - Male 16 1875 Corn Merchant West Ham, Essex, England
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Ellen Daines Servant Single Female 22 1869 Domestic Servant Bawdsey, Suffolk, England

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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Romford Road, West Ham, Essex, England

Anne Smith Wife Married Female 55 1836 - Brayton, Yorkshire, England
Frederic C Smith Son Single Male 23 1868 Corn Merchant West Ham, Essex, England
Caroline Smith Daughter Single Female 20 1871 - West Ham, Essex, England
Henry B Smith Son - Male 16 1875 Corn Merchant West Ham, Essex, England
Ellen Daines Servant Single Female 22 1869 Domestic Servant Bawdsey, Suffolk, England


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
84, Romford Road, West Ham, Essex, England

Fredr Smith Head Married Male 41 1840 Corn Merchant (10 Men) Copse Hall, Essex, England
Anne Smith Wife Married Female 45 1836 - Brayton, Warwickshire, England
Caroline Smith Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholars Stratford, Essex, England
Henry B Smith Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholars Stratford, Essex, England
Ellen F Smith Cous Single Female 29 1852 Companion Warwickshire, England
Elizth Donery Servant Single Female 18 1863 General Domestic Barking, Essex,

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
49, Hamfrith Road, West Ham, Essex, England

Henry Bowman Smith Head Single Male 26 1875 Corn Merchant Stratford, Essex, England
Jessie D Chittock Servant Married Female 35 1866 Houekeeper Domestic Welby, Suffolk, England
William J Chittock Servant Married Male 34 1867 Miller Freston, Suffolk, England
Lilia A Chittock Servant Single Female 8 1893 - Essex, England
Edith J Burling Servant Single Female 18 1883 Houemaid Domestic West Ham, Essex, England