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Bedfordshire Times and Independent - Friday 16 September 1927

THURLEIGH

We regret to announce the death at tin of 55 years of Mr. Eli Hart, of Harrow pate, who died suddenly on Tuesday. 6th September, whilst on visit to his sister. Mrs. K. Barnes. The funeral took place at Thurleigh on the 8th September. The Rev. C. Heinsley officiated, and Mrs. Hemsley played the Dead March. The mourners were Mrs. Hart (widow). Mr. Wiseman (son), Mr. S. Hart (brother). Mrs. Dur ance (daughter), Mr. R. Hart (brother), Mrs. R. Barnes (sister). Mr. J. Jefferies (nephew). Mrs. S. Hart (sister-in-law), Mrs, C. Hart (niece). Mrs. T. Osborn (niece). Mr. and Mrs. C. Jefferies (nephew ami niece), Mrs. Wiseman (daughter in law). Master H. Wiseman (grandson).

?? Marriages Sep 1920 (>99%)
Hart Eli Large Skipton 9a 120

Large Betsy Hart Skipton 9a 120

She married 1912:

name(s) Betsy Wiseman (11 Park Ave Melton Mowbray)
Age 44
Birth year 1868
Residence Melton Mowbray
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Hawley
Marriage year 1912
Marriage date 21 Oct 1912
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Large
Spouse's age 52
Spouse's residence Asfordby
Spouse's father's first name(s) David
Spouse's father's last name Large

Witnesses: Thomas Henry Hawley & Elizabeth Ann Cookson

Alveigal I took Bakcup to be Bacup which is " a town in Lancashire, England, in the South Pennines close to Lancashire's boundary with West Yorkshire."

I thought Mawlenstall may be an error , Rawtenstall? not that far from Bacup?

Besty and sister, Edith Hawley mentioned:-

Nottingham Evening Post - Thursday 22 November 1906

LEICESTERSHIRE ASSIZES. SERIOUS CHARGES AGAINST A MELTON WOMAN. PRISONER SENTENCED TO TWELVE MONTHS' HARD LABOUR.

The trial of prisoners the Leicestershire Assizes was continued to-day by Mr. Justice Ridley, who was accompanied on the Bench by the High Sheriff (Mr. E. M. P. de Lisle).
Emma Turner, 48, Melton Mowbray, was indicted for having supplied three women with pills for unlawful purpose. Tho women mentioned were Lucy Ann Wesson, Sarah Barrow, and Betsy Wiseman, all of Melton, the alleged offences taking place in January, March, and October of this year. Mr. Disney and Mr. Marriott were for the prosecution, and Mr. Powers for the defence. In the first two cases counsel stated that the purpose for which the pills were procured was accomplished, but the third case was a device arranged by tho police, who sent Mrs. Wiseman to the prisoner to make certain representations and obtain some of the pills, which were afterwards analysed. Mrs. Wesson was very ill, and was found to be suffering from lead poisoning. Evidence was then given in support.— Hannah Adams, the mother of Mrs. Wesson, said she was telegraphed for, and found her daughter in unconscious condition. tho following Sunday she had a number of fits.—Miss Scott, the Melton district nurse, deposed to handing some of the pills to the doctor. Wesson's contortions were so great that witness thought she must be suffering from strychnine poisoning.

.— Mrs. Wiseman, who had been employed by the police, said she paid prisoner half-a-crown for box of 76 pills.—Edith Hawley, a sister of Wiseman, who accompanied her, corroborated, adding that prisoner said, " I would like you to pay me now. I have been to Nottingham Goose Fair, and am rather short of money."—Dr.. Dyer, an analytical chemist, of London, and the public analyst for Rutland, who analysed the pills, said their essential ingredient was a compound of oxide of lead and oil. The effect of such pills would be that alleged in the indictment. The quantities taken by these women would be sufficient to kill many people.—Dr. Willan said that Mrs. Wesson was suffering from ehronic lead poisoning.—Dr. Tibbies, who saw Mrs. Wesson July 14th, in conjunction with the last witness' partner, stated that tho woman was then almost unconscious, and she had several fits that day. Replying to Mr. Powers, witness said he had ncard that the prisoner had had 21 children, of whom 14 were living. According to tho testimony of Supt. Hinman, prisoner said. "If the fools come for them they ought to take the responsibility. I don't ask them to buy them." Prisoner then went into the witness-box, and swore that she had never put any lead or oil in the pills. If there were any lead in tho pills some one else must have put it there. She admitted the statement she made to the police to the "fools" who came to her. The pills were given to them for anaemia, and if the women thought they were for the purpose alleged they must hare been fools. The jury found the prisoner guilty on the first two charges, and, at the suggest ion of the Judge, disregarded the indictment as to Wiseman. In answer to his Lordship, Supt. said there had been many cases of lead poisoning amongst women in Melton Mowbray. Sentence of twelve months' hard labour was i passed.

Does anyone know where these places are? I've googled and come up with nothing.

Bakcup and Dend Nr Mawlenstall. They are where Ann Ellen and Joseph were born.

WISEMAN, AGNES LOUISA HAWLEY Order
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in MELTON MOWBRAY Volume 07A Page 322 Occasional Copy: A

On the 1911 there is a big gap between the older two children and Agnes and I can't find them on the GRO under the Wiseman name?

EDIT to add....the question has just come up as to what "Occasional copy" means on the GRO index, and as Agnes has that on the registration it may be relevant here?

"Occasional copies are submitted by the Superintendent Registrar when a correction is made to a register entry in their custody"

From a reply someone rec' from the GRO

" from a reply from the GRO posted elsewhere

"In some circumstances, where authorised by the Registrar General, an original entry is either corrected or alternatively superseded by a subsequent fresh register entry and requires an occasional copy of the updated or new entry to be sent to the Registrar General.

The occasional copy of this updated or new entry is then allocated a new index / page number. For example, the original entry may be on page 670 and the occasional copy of the amended or new entry is allocated an occasional page reference 670A.

Other than where there has been a re-registration of a birth to add or remove the father’s details, the previous record is not viewable. If it is a re-registration to add or remove the father’s details, then you can obtain both the original and re-registered entry providing that you can supply sufficient detail for us to identify the original entry."

not finding births for joseph wiseman and anne ellen wiseman with mother Hawley

WISEMAN, JOSEPH    
HUNT  

GRO Reference: 1895  S Quarter in PRESTON  Volume 08E  Page 682

No problem, I am going off now, but thank-you for all your help. :-)

My apologies ! entirely my fault, the brackets I put round the link to the thread meant it came up when clicked on as "this thread does not exist" I should be more careful! :-(

The other thread about Durrance which I have posted the link to has gone?

just checked, everything I have asked about and received tonight is still here.

I have not deleted anything!!

Just noticed the Betsy Hart on 1939 reg was born in 1871 so the above could be her as she was 37 when she married in 1901, so would have been born around 1863.

Teresa why have you deleted the other thread? Now anything on it of use has to be looked up again.

Thank-you, will check again, but was told her Granny's name was definatley Hart on her Mothers side.

Field Value
County Nottinghamshire
Place (link for place information) East Retford
Church name St Swithun
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 81
Marriage date 26 Feb 1901
Groom forename William Thomas
Groom surname HART
Groom age 36
Groom condition widower
Groom abode Donisthorpe
Groom occupation Blacksmiths Striker
Bride forename Betsy
Bride surname SMITH
Bride age 37
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode East Retford
Groom father forename Thomas
Groom father surname HART
Groom father occupation Labourer
Bride father forename George (deceased)
Bride father surname SMITH
Bride father occupation Butler
Witness Mary A GILL
Witness George Alfred SMITH
Register note By banns
Transcriber notes

Might be this Betsy on the 1939 ??

Marriages Mar 1901 (>99%)

HART William Thomas E. Retford 7b 14
SMITH Betsy E. Retford 7b 14