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What should I put into the national archives to find records of my grandfathers I’ve typed in George Jackson date of birth 1854 gloucester and I’m getting no results any advice on how I search without a army number please

The 1911 census doesn’t show Elsie on it and if you look at the 1901 census for Elsie it shows that Elizabeth was her mother Thomas was her brother but William isn’t on there but Elsie also doesn’t appear on James and Mary’s census ,but her school record shows William and Eliza as parents that’s where I hit the blank

Thank you ,family insist James and Mary are Elsie’s parents not William and Elizabeth x

just for ref

Marriages Mar 1897 (>99%)
GREENWAY Eliza Worcester 6c 312
Joyner William Worcester 6c 312

Marriages Jun 1895 (>99%)

Greenway Mary Ann Worcester 6c 439
Joyner James Worcester 6c 439

And Elsie’s brother Ernest married Elsie Milner so she became an Elsie Jackson too x

Mary Ann greenway married James Joyner in 1875 in Worcester

Her siblings were alive Louisa , ernest ,Ethel Maria ,Thomas William and George x

Elsie was born 19 June 1900 in Worcester and she dies 1961 in canon drone Hereford she’s buried at ashperton x

Yes that’s the confusing but Elsie’s parents were mary Ann greenway and James Joyner he was from powick she was from Tewksbury x

Thank you I got that far it was Ada Rhoda having the same year of birth as my grandmother Elsie and I kept finding parents for Elsie as William and Eliza and James and Mary greenway still can’t figure out if the were related I thought James and William Joyner were brothers and Elizabeth and Mary austere it’s compicated this family tree lark I need to learn to be as good as you guys x

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
9 Bowling Green Walk Worcester, Worcester, Worcestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Joyner Head Married Male 45 1866 Powich Worcestershire Gardener Transcription
Elizabeth Joyner Wife Married Female 35 1876 Worcester - Transcription
William Thomas Joyner Son - Male 12 1899 Worcester School Transcription
Rhoda Joyner Daughter - Female 8 1903 Worcester School Transcription
George Joyner Son - Male 2 1909 Worcester - Transcription
Mary Ann Joyner Daughter Married Female 0 1911 Worcester

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Court, 8, Pleasant Street, Worcester, Worcestershire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Elizabeth Joyner Head Married Female 24 1877 Worcestershire, England - Transcription
William Joyner Son Single Male 2 1899 Worcestershire, England - Transcription
Elsie Joyner Daughter - Female 0 1901 Worcestershire, England - Transcription
Sarah Cotterill Visitor Single Female 16 1885 Worcestershire, England Gloveress


Marriages Mar 1897 (>99%)
GREENWAY Eliza Worcester 6c 312
Joyner William Worcester 6c 312


First name(s) Elsie Elizabeth
Last name Joyner
Birth year 1900
Birth date 19 Jun 1900
Event year 1910
School name Hounds Lane Council School, Girls Department
Town Worcester
County Worcestershire
Country England
Parent name(s) William Eliza
Book type Admissions
Archive reference 45_BA9294_48_5

My paternal grandmother was a joiner or Joyner I gave up on that it was as bad as the Jackson side lol x

Thank you I really do appreciate it ,I’m still stuck at William and Elizabeth lol x :-(

Sorry to hear about your mum Angela.

Come back with a query if you get stuck on the Bakers, not an easy name as you say .

You are all so good at this I lost my mum suddenly last year and I started to do this as we didn’t seem to no much about the family her side is even worse the surname baker :-D

Thank you so much yes he was a black smith and he went there to shoe the horses spent 6 months deep in mud my dad says thank you x

First name(s) Alfred
Last name Jackson
Year 1914-20
Service number 81742
Second service number 81742
Rank Shoeing Smith Corporal,Corporal
Second rank Corporal
Regiment Royal Field Artillery
Second corps Royal Field Artillery
Service record Soldier Number: 81742, Rank: Shoeing Smith Corporal, Corps: Royal Field Artillery
Second service record Soldier Number: 81742, Rank: Corporal, Corps: Royal Field Artillery
Image link http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D3054913
Country Great Britain
Medal type British Army Medal Index Cards, 1914-1920
Archive reference WO372/10
Archive reference description Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards
Record set Britain, Campaign, Gallantry & Long Service Medals & Awards
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Medal rolls and honours
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

The records for Alfred 81742 look to be correct, occupation given as Blacksmith

There are two copies one gives more detail but is from the 'burnt records' but confirms occupation and matches birth place.

British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Transcription

First name(s) Alfred
Last name Jackson
Age 22
Birth year 1891
Birth town Worcester
Birth county Worcestershire
Birth country England
Service number 81742
Regiment Royal Garrison Artillery
Year 1914
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Archive The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
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Sorry to keep asking my dad is 87 soon and isn’t well and I wanted to get as much done as I can to show him so thank you
Only mother thing I’m struggling with is my fathers dad ,Alfred Jackson born 1890 in Worcester died May 8 th 1961 in Hereford hospital buried at asperton I think I have found his war records he was a pass he dale 1914 -1918 the army number I have is 81742 it’s signed by Alfred and his father George if anybody is able to clarify this for me I would be very grateful x