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Did Barbara's daughter Veronica A Griffin nee Hall 1943 marry and is she still alive.


Maryb.

Yes Veronica is still alive, the family say there is a connection with Charles O'Mahony living in the red house in Esher, he was there in 1939 and there is a family connection with this house. Charles O'Mahony's parents were James O'Mahony B 1851 Kerry and Bridget born 1851, Kildare.

Witnesses on Barbara's marriage cert were E O J Hughes and A Temple No father info for Barbara.

Nicola- are you sure of those details?

There is a Charles K O'Mahoney at the Old Red Cottage, Esher in 1939.

His wife is listed as Julia C

This looks to be their marriage:- note Charles father is listed as Thomas (not James):


Name: Charles Kingston O Mahony (Journalist)
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1885
Marriage Date: 19 Mar 1910
Marriage Place: St Peter, Staines Parishes not in a Borough, Surrey, England
Father: Thomas Kingston O Mahony (Gentleman)
Spouse
Julia Christine Ellis
Father: Charles Ellis

If Veronica is still alive then is she the one Born Surrey mum nee Hall or Watford mum nee O'Mahoney.


Maryb

It seems probable that she is the Surrey one.

Cuthbert and Barbara were at "Kavana", Ferry Road, Chertsey, Surrey in 1945:

Cuthbert J Griffin
in the Surrey, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1962
Name: Cuthbert J Griffin
Residence Year: 1945
Parliamentary Division/Constituency: Chertsey
Residence Place: Surrey, England

They were still there in 1960.


Also at the same address in 1945 (probably lodgers ): Arthur A Steinberg and Constance Fergusson-Foden
( Irrelevant, but interesting and sad: Constance was a patient in a Home for Inebriates in Surrey in 1939. She was also a pianist (LRAM ).

Seems to be a lot of crossed wires with this family.

The one born in Watford married in Watford in 1965 had a daughter 1965 and son 1966,he has a tree on Ancestry.co.uk with Charles O' Mahoney 1884-1944 the one from 1939 census in Esher with parents James and Bridget.
He also has Barbara Hall daughter of Mary O'Mahoney

Maryb.

found this info on ancestry tree with photos of Veronica Ann Griffin and her parents wedding


Anastatia O'Mahony 10/9/1915 Killmallock co limerick to James O'Mahony and Brigid Meyer. they have copy of baptism. She died 3/3/1974 Bushey Herts

Anastatia married Charles William Griffin born 29/3 1906 in South shields (Michael on record ) married 18/5/1942 Watford he died 4/6/1978 Watford
They had Veronica Ann Griffin born 21/12/1942 died Watford 2014 from MS and Pneumonia it also says she didn't marry!!


Brigid Melyer 1888-1950 married James O'Mahony 1872-1915 he was son of Daniel
Brigid daughter of Patrick and Anastasia Power, Brigid also had sister Anastasia

Maryb.

Mary- I agree with you- lots of crossed wires!

I think we need to know how Nicola got to Veronica- what Nicola's connection to the family is and work from there.

The owner of the tree looks to be the daughter of Veronica's sister,it looks very well researched.

it keeps us occupied.

Maryb

As I said much earlier my Veronica A Griffin was born in Surrey not Watford. I am researching for old friend Charles Dimmock, Veronica's son. I know he has just put his tree on Ancestry and may of added details of our first find of Barbara ( his grandmother). I will ask Charles to fill in any blanks by joining this thread as he has now joined Genes reunited and I am relaying info 2nd hand.

Found new factual info for Barbara Hall if anyone can help. A copy of a letter dated 1932 to Mr O'Mahony asking for help in proving that Barbara Hall alias Vera Lowe was a O'Mahony. At that time she was living with who she believed to be her grandmother Frances Lowe nee O'Mahony and her grandmother's husband Thomas Lowe in Sutton Coldfield and was called Vera Lowe. I have found her living with them in 1921. The letter mentions Barbara being taken by Mrs Sinclair to live the Forbes when she was 2 and then Mrs Sinclair came and took her to Carr's home, Northbrook Road, Dublin and then to Mrs Irwin in Dublin. Mrs Irwin had then moved to America. It's all so fascinating and everything Barbara told her family now appears to be true. I don't know where to start??

Posting 1921 so we know exactly what it says - not that any of its info would have been verified at the time

17, Park Road, Sutton Coldfield, Staffordshire, England

Thomas Lowe Head Male 1854 67 Thurso, Caithness, Scotland Gardener Private
Frances Lowe Wife Female 1863 58 Offaly (King's), Ireland Proffessor Music Own Account
Vera Lowe Granddaughter, relative Female 1907 14 Dublin, Dublin, Ireland - -
Marie Capeley Visitor Female 1896 25 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Hotel Assistant Bell Hotel Gloucester
Charles Edwin Sherman Visitor Male 1892 29 Nottinghamshire, England Chemist Travelling -
Amy Marjory Sherman Visitor Female 1897 24 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Home Duties -

'Vera's' parents are said to be 'both alive'. Her age is recorded as 14yrs 4months

If Barbara/Vera was supposedly Frances's granddaughter, Frances must have had at least one child before she married Thomas Lowe.
When/where did they marry? EDIT Not in Scotland, England or Wales - I've just checked.

Frances O.Mahony married Thomas Lowe in 1903 in Halifax. Her husband Thomas Lowe is a gardener which fits with Barbara's story the the grandmother ran off with the gardener. That's when her children disowned her. Barbara spoke about a uncle Charles kingston O'Mahony and she knew where he lived in Esher. Frances O'Mahony later Lowe had several children with her first husband Thomas O'Mahony a land agent from Mitchelstown Cork. One of which I believe was Charles Kingston O'Mahony. But have no proof as there is no registered birth. Barbara always said her mother was Mary O'Mahony, Frances had a daughter Evelyn Mary O'Mahony born after Charles Kingston O'Mahony. Can't get my head around this, if anyone wants to see the docs that have just been discovered please let me know. Thank you

Oops........completely overlooked that one - hadn't expected it to be so 'late'



1921 Census Of England & Wales
Glenalough Elm Tree Avenue, Thames Ditton, Surrey, England
Charles Kingston O'Mahony Head Male 1884 37 Middletown Co Cork, Author Own Account
Julia Christine O'Mahony Wife Female 1888 32 Barnet, Hertfordshire, England - -
Amy M Goldsmith Servant Female 1896 25 Thames Ditton, Surrey, England General Domestic Servant Private


Unfortunately, the chances of finding proof of Barbara's birth must be minimal - you don't even know what surname to look for, or what the correct DoB was - and Irish records are not easy at the best of times.

Charles Kingston O'Mahony gave his father's name as THOMAS when he married.

Charles K O'Mahony
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Charles K O'Mahony
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 24 Mar 1884 <<<<<<<<<<<
Residence Date: 1939
Address: Old Red Cottage Weston Grred
Residence Place: Esher, Surrey, England
Occupation: Auther
Line Number: 28
Schedule Number: 243
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: Cmpg
Borough: Esher
Registration district: 30.2
Inferred Spouse:
Julia C O'Mahony
Household Members (Name) Age
Charles K O'Mahony 55
Julia C O'Mahony 51

But, as you say, his birth reg can't be found.


The WRONG Charles whom you mentioned earlier, with parents James and Bridget, was born 20 January 1883, in Lucan, Celbridge, Dublin.
His middle name was Kirkham.
He enlisted in the 102nd Foot (R. Dublin Fusiliers) on 29 Sept 1902.

Discounted the Lucan O'Mahony family as now have Barbara living with grandmother Frances with Barbara's story of her grandmother marrying the gardener and them both dying while she was living with them. This letter dated 1932 to Mr O'Mahony is asking for help as Barbara was left to pay for funeral and the insurance wouldn't pay out because she couldn't prove her identity. It's a very sad story, which just days ago I believed she had made up??

There is also some documents found with the pleading letter to Mr O'Mahony. Madame Lowe performing as solo pianist in 1903, along lots of other bits of info. These new doc's are personal to my friend Charles ( Barbara's grandson). If anyone thinks they might be able to help by seeing them, I can send in private message.