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Far too hot, John!

Approx 26-28C forecast for here, which is more than hot enough for me.

Thank you AG. I had forgotten about the Paper /Printing industry in this area of Kent along with 4 cement works, a thriving area, sadly all gone now, Even the River Thames is quiet these days. Very interesting what you found about the lodgers . Kevin informed me he has done a DNA test, so hoping to get some results back in finding Emma Lovejoy. She has completely baffled him, he was told she could have gone to Canada, he couldn’t find anything in Emigration ,like you couldn’t . I will let you know if he is contacted. Keep safe in the oncoming days with the heat we are expecting. Thay have us down for 40 degrees here in North Kent.

The lodgers in 1921 aren't watermen. Mostly they're in the paper/printing industry.

Herbert Botten (widower) is a paper maker, working for Imperial Paper Mills, Gravesend.
Arthur Morris (single) is a stereotyper, with Amalgamated Press Printers, Gravesend.
George E Lacey(single) is a fitter and turner with Henleys, Northfleet.
Walter Rolph (married) is a printers' machinist with Amalgamated Press.
Jessie Squires (single) is a book folder with Amalgamated Press.
Henry Payne (married) is a printers' machine minder with Amalgamated Press.

I had wondered if maybe one of the men later cohabited with Emma Lovejoy - but no such luck.

Walter died 1934 in Romford, Essex.
Arthur married Rose Holt in 1921, and died in Dartford in 1974.
George married Lydia Keech in 1922, and died in Dartford in 1973.
Henry was still married to Martha in 1939, living in St Albans, and died there in 1956.
Herbert had married Charlotte / Lottie Penfold in 1910 in Tonbridge. Lottie died in 1919, and in 1939 he was living with Priscilla Queenie Skinner, who was calling herself Botten although not his wife.

Thank you AG, been out for the day so only just picked up post. Will look on Kevin’s post, I did say to him look on the 1921 for the husband of Emma Jane Lovejoy. because not with her in 1921.. Will look up the Webb family too, if think Emma Jane Terry married Edward Webb. Actually very interesting because my next door but one is a Webb, a big River Thames tug men, in fact my skipper in 1955 was a Ben Webb. Lots of watermen in the Gravesend area. Can probe further on the Webb’s. Wouldn’t be surprised if the lodgers in Pier Road in 1921 could be water men or even cement I workers , have a number of cement works in our area too

A tree on Ancestry [ EDIT: it's your friend Kevin's tree ] has the image of the 1921 census for Emma Terry and household.

Emma Terry
Ivy Terry
William Mills
Stephen Jackman, 82 (Emma senior's father)
Emma Lovejoy
Edward Lovejoy
Jane Mathews, 18, adopted niece
Clara Mathews, 12, adopted niece

and six boarders, Jessie Squires 15, Walter Rolfe 40, Henry Payne 45, George E Lacey 28, Arthur Morris 26, and Herbert Botten 36.




William Mills later married Jane M A Matthews, born 18 March 1903 per 1939 Register, who was an "adopted niece" in 1921.

MATTHEWS, JANE MARY ANN mmn SKINSLEY
GRO Reference: 1903 J Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 654

MATTHEWS, CLARA mmn SKINSLEY
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 480


However, none of this helps find Emma Lovejoy after 1921.


Added:
Kevin added the census to his Ancestry tree on 6th July.
Kevin also started a GR thread (two, in fact) in Sept 2006, hoping for info about Emma after her son's birth, but received no replies, and is no longer a GR member.

At first I wondered (grasping at straws) if this could be her marriage, if she had used her stepfather's name for some strange reason - but Ancestry thinks it's her mother marrying for the third time:

Emma J Terry
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Emma J Terry
Registration Date: Jul 1922[Aug 1922] [Sep 1922]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Strood
Inferred County: Kent
Spouse: Edward Webb
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 1845

Emma Jane Mills
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Emma Jane Mills
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 3 Dec 1888 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birth Place: Christ Church, Milton By Gravesend, Kent, England
Baptism Date: 27 Jan 1889
Baptism Place: Christ Church, Milton By Gravesend, Kent, England
Father: George Mills
Mother: Emma Jane
FHL Film Number: 1469436 IT 1

Her exact DoB may help with the quest

Just for interest - re 1921 census:

Emma Terry is Emma Jane and William's mother, after her second marriage in 1903, to Henry George Robert Terry ( he died 1907) , and Ivy is their half sister.

TERRY, IVY KATHLEEN mmn JACKMAN
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in GRAVESEND Volume 02A Page 656

Didn’t notice that edit about William being her brother, thanks.AG

I edited my earlier post:

William in 1921 is William Mills 1899, Emma Jane's brother.

If you cant find the surname of the William living in the household of Emma Jane Lovejoy, she may have been associated with him. Lots of people living in the household because all the houses in Pier Road Northfleet are beautiful 3 story houses so obviously were people lodged. It was a very upmarket area in those days, the Royalty and elite would sail down the Thames to visit Rosherville Gardens situated next to Pier Road.

Wow thanks AG , finding the son Edward, in Gravesend, the same address that my friend lived at in the 50,s but I didn’t know her dad . Ironically his birth date on 11th July, would have been a couple of days ago, That was our 63rd wedding anniversary

That’s good, my cousin lives in St Andrews and said quite pleasant there. Will leave young Kevin to pay for that. Bad enough trying to find my own family, at least I know now that my grandparents were still together in 1921 albeit in lodgings in Shropshire , couldnt find my Dad age 7, then found him living with my Nans parents in Gloucester age 7 yrs old, only thing I can think about that , is that , their marriage must have been rocky at that stage. Grandad was a nightmare to find, logged on to the wrong William John Lewis for 2 years until the 1911 census came out. , then couldn’t find his death for years until someone on GR found it in Shrewsbury so then knew he never returned to Wales. Felt content when he was found, he was still alive when I had my children but sadly I never met him, feel sad about that.

She's not even on any tree on Ancestry.

Someone called Valerie Roberts has her on her GR tree.

With Emma in 1921:

Ivy Terry 1904 , Emma Terry 1866, William Mills 1899 (her brother) , Edward Lovejoy 1914 (her son, born Gravesend ) -- and 9 others.


Well, if Emma emigrated, her son didn't go with her:


Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Lovejoy Edward H Mills Gravesend 2a 1358


Edward H Lovejoy
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Edward H Lovejoy
Registration Date: Apr 1935[May 1935] [Jun 1935]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Gravesend
Inferred County: Kent
Spouse: Dorothy I Clare
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 2298


Edward H Lovejoy
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Edward H Lovejoy
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 11 Jul 1914
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 11 Oak Road.
Residence Place: Gravesend, Kent, England
Occupation: Painter, Decorater
Line Number: 2
Schedule Number: 107
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: Dhur
Borough: Gravesend
Registration district: 44-1
Inferred Spouse:
Dorothy I Lovejoy
Inferred Children:
Ann Lovejoy
Household Members Age
Edward H Lovejoy 25
Dorothy I Lovejoy 22
Ann Lovejoy 3
This record is officially closed.
Albert A Clare 19



Edward Henry Lovejoy
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Edward Henry Lovejoy
Death Age: 74
Birth Date: 11 Jul 1914
Registration Date: Dec 1988
Registration District: Gravesend
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 871

No address in 1921 without paying for it, I'm afraid!

I'll leave that for you to do:

https://tinyurl.com/5x3986jk



Not too hot here in north Argyll, thank goodness.

Doing fine thanks AG. take care in this heat.
I am looking for a friends son, said she just seems to have disappeared. His grandfather never spoke about her so his Mum knows nothing.

Looks like James H Lovejoy is living back with his mother iMary Ann Lovejoy if she was born 1858. Possibly brother and wife or even sister. Did you find an address, but then know that every look up must be paid for, so don’t expect you to do that.

Hi, John - hope you're well too
.
I don't see her in 1939, nor remarrying or dying in England, Scotland or Wales.

Nor any travel record (so far) .