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Hi everyone,

I moved to NZ 30 years ago but grew up in Selborne, Hampshire, UK. I'm trying to find out information about my relatives and ancestors as my father died at just 57 back in 1997 and never really knew anything about his family tree.

A good few years ago, a lovely lady named Tracy Hope I believe contacted me and had done quite a bit of research on the Norman family but sadly over the years and much moving around I don't seem to have all the information any more. I'd like to be able to fill in the gaps, particularly as my son now lives in England and wants to find out more about where (and who) he is a part of.

A little about me - I was born Jacqueline Elizabeth Norman. My father was John Reginald Norman (1940 - 1997). His father was Owen Llewellyn Norman, who I never knew, and he was one of three sons born to Hori Norman and Elizabeth Amy Warren. Many of my family were builders or carpenters I believe.

If anyone has any information or would like to know what very little info I also have, that would be wonderful :-)

Your birth registration from the free to use site - https://www.freebmd.org.uk

Covers birth, marriages and deaths from Q3 1837 when registration began until c mid 1980's at present. Mother's maiden name will not appear pre 1912 on this site, nor age at death pre mid 1860's

Births Mar 1973 (>99%)
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
NORMAN JACQUELINE ELIZABETH FLETCHER BASINGSTOKE 6B 547

6 weeks are allowed in which to register a birth which will be why the registration doesn't appear until the March Quarter (Jan/Feb/Mar) of 1973

As the Mother's maiden name is shown the site will allow you to look for sibling births and a marriage between Norman and Fletcher (exceptions may apply!)

So is this the marriage of your parents - registered in the Alton Registration District. Again from the freebmd site - click on the ALTON to see which towns/villages etc are covered by the District

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1964 (>99%)
FLETCHER SYLVIA A NORMAN ALTON 6B 119
NORMAN JOHN R FLETCHER ALTON 6B 119

Yes, this is my mum and dad! How wonderful, thank you! I will definitely check it out!

Looking at the RD where the marriage took place - this could be your Father's birth registration. There are however other John R Norman's born in 1940

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Sep 1940 (>99%)
Norman John R Pavitt Alton 2c 488

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Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1938 (>99%)

Norman Owen L Pavitt Alton 2c 607
Pavitt Thelma M Norman Alton 2c 607

Family on the 1939 register - register taken of all civilians with one or two exceptions at the outbreak of WW2 to allow ID cards, ration books etc to be produced (google will tell you more) When the NHS was introduced the serial numbers became NHS numbers for those people. The register was kept up to date as possible until c 1990
It's available to members of Ancestry or Find My Past - someone will do you look ups.

1939 register
Holmleigh, Kitchens Selborne, Selborne, Alton R.D., Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number Relationship
Oloen L Norman 30 Nov 1903 Male Bricklayer Married 32 1 Head
Thelma M Norman 11 Jan 1914 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 32 2 Wife
The record for this person is officially closed.

The closed record will be someone who is under 100 years of age whose death has not been picked up for the record to become public (privacy) I don't see an earlier Norman / Pavitt birth than John which would have been my first thought

Owen's birth from the freebmd site - mmn not shown as pre 1912
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1904 (>99%)
NORMAN Owen Llewellyn Alton 2c 185

But from this site (also free, although you'll have to register) the mmn is shown and also the full middle name (not always available on freebmd)
https://www.gro.gov.uk/

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
NORMAN, OWEN LLEWELLYN WARREN
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in ALTON Volume 02C Page 185

Here's the family in the 1911 census

1911 Census For England & Wales
Selborne Alton Hampshire, Selborne, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Hori Norman Head Married Male 34 1877 Builder Selbourne Hants
Elizabeth Norman Wife Married Female 31 1880 - Selbourne Hants
Cecil Norman Son - Male 10 1901 - Selbourne Hants
Llewellyn Norman Son - Male 7 1904 - Selbourne Hants
Gerald Norman Son - Male 4 1907 - Selbourne Hants

The form shows that Hori and Elizabeth had been married for 11 years and had had 3 children born alive and all were still living

Hore's birth - a different spelling

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
NORMAN, HORE NEWTON
GRO Reference: 1876 D Quarter in ALTON Volume 02C Page 143

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His parents marriage -

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%)

Newton Esther Alton 2c 365
NORMAN Henry Alton 2c 365

Hori with family

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Selborne Hill, Selborne, Alton, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Norman Head Married Male 29 1852 Bricklayer Selborne, Hampshire, England
Hester Norman Wife Married Female 28 1853 - Empshott, Hampshire, England
Kate Norman Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Selborne, Hampshire, England
Hori Norman Son Single Male 4 1877 - Selborne, Hampshire, England
Elizabeth Norman Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Selborne, Hampshire, England

Hori's Father Henry as a child with his parents and siblings

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Selborne Hill, Selborne, Alton, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Norman Head Married Male 33 1828 Bricklayers labourer Selborne, Hampshire, England
Ellen Norman Wife Married Female 33 1828 - Selborne, Hampshire, England
George Norman Son - Male 12 1849 Scholar Selborne, Hampshire, England
Henry Norman Son - Male 9 1852 Scholar Selborne, Hampshire, England
Harriet Norman Daughter - Female 7 1854 - Selborne, Hampshire, England
Rose Norman Daughter - Female 5 1856 - Selborne, Hampshire, England
Rebecca Norman Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Selborne, Hampshire, England

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
NORMAN, HENRY CANNON
GRO Reference: 1851 D Quarter in ALTON Volume 07 Page 20

NORMAN, ROSE CANNON
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in ALTON Volume 02C Page 122

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1849 (>99%)

CANNONS Ellen Alton 7 27
Norman Hori Alton 7 27

Hampshire Baptisms
Selborne, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Hori
Father's last name Norman
Last name Norman
Father's occupation Bricklayer
Baptism year 1876
Mother's first name(s) Esther
Baptism date 03 Dec 1876
Page 40
Place Selborne
Record set Hampshire Baptisms
County Hampshire
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Country England
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Father's first name(s) Henry
Collections from Great Britain, England
© Findmypast

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England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Selborne, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Henry
Country England
Last name Norman
Father's first name(s) Hori
Gender Male
Father's last name Norman
Birth year -
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
Birth place -
Mother's last name -
Baptism year 1852
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Baptism date 04 Jan 1852
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Residence Selborne, Hampshire, England
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Place Selborne
Collections from England, Great Britain
County Hampshire

Ancestry trees have Hori and Ellen's marriage certificate. He is a Bricklayer of Selborne, s/o George Norman a soldier.
Ellen is also of Selbourne, d/o William Cannons a Labourer.\
Witnesses are Eli and Elizabeth Christmas (Eli married Elizabeth Cannon 1838 Alton RD)

Oh my goodness, this is all absolutely amazing, thank you! This is definitely my family, my grandmother was Thelma Mabel Pavitt. This is really fantastic, thank you so much! I had no idea there were so many resources available, it's fascinating. I really appreciate you taking the time to look all this up!

Jacqueline
For your own security, please delete your date of birth. You have posted on here all the info needed for identity theft.

Looking at the image of the 1939 Register posted by Greyghost - there is no closed record with Owen and Thelma.

That's a mistake on FMP.

Another free site where if you don't have access via any of the genealogy sites, you'll find England census records, amongst many other records including baptisms, marriages, burials -

https://www.familysearch.org

It's well worth you finding your way around these free sites.

Others, although not necessarily complete, include -

https://www.freecen.org.uk (census records)
https://www.freereg.org.uk (parish records)

When using FamilySearch (link in GG's post above), search in "Records", and NOT "Family Tree".

Records are actual records.
Family Trees are just what other people have put on their trees - but not everyone researches accurately, and trees frequently have mistakes.

Other people's trees may help to point you in the right direction, but always check out the records for yourself, and don't assume the tree is correct.

Thank you all so much! Have removed date of birth also, thank you ErikaH. Apologies, I'm rather new at all this but it's all very exciting, I look forward to learning more :-)