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I have a John Brown & dec 1878 married to Agnes Smith 1917 Leith Lancashire
I've got them in in 1939 census with their children with 3 blocked out but one is b 1921 wondering if any of the other sites have a more upto date copy I'm on ancestry
I've looked at GRO but their are a lot of Browns with mothers maiden name Smith

What address are they at in 1939. I can look on Findmypast.

The blocked out child born 1921 would only have the record opened if someone has asked for it to be opened and provided proof of death.

Kath. x

1939 Register
19 Fell Street, Leigh, Leigh M.B., Lancashire, England

John Brown 07 Dec 1878 Male Colliery Watchman Retired Married 334 1
Agnes Brown 18 Jan 1892 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 334 2
John Brown 03 Mar 1918 Male Co-Operative Milk Salesman Single 334 3
Harold Brown 30 Mar 1920 Male Railway Porter London & North Eastern Railway Single 334 4
William Brown 23 Jul 1921 Male Unemployed & House Painter Single 334 5
Daniel Brown 15 Nov 1922 Male Horseman On Farm Single 334 6
The record for this person is officially closed.
Jane Lowe (Brown) 16 Oct 1926 Female At School Single 334 8
Agnes Bamford (Brown) 13 Apr 1932 Female At School Single 334 9

Please now look at your Abraham Wood thread...................

1921 Census Of England & Wales
140 Wilbraham Street, Leigh, Lancashire, England

John Brown Head Male 1879 42 Orrell, Lancashire, England Coal Miner (Hewer) Alkird Whitley Ackers Whitely Leigh
Agnes Brown Wife Female 1892 29 Atherton, Lancashire, England Household Duties -
Lois Taberner Step-daughter Female 1912 9 Leigh, Lancashire, England - -
George Taberner Step-son Male 1913 8 Lancashire, England - -
John Brown Son Male 1918 3 Leigh, Lancashire, England - -
Harold Brown Son Male 1920 1 Leigh, Lancashire, England - -
John Flaherty Boarder Male 1878 43 Worsley, Lancashire, England Colliery Haulage Hand (Belowe Ground) Ackers Whitley Leigh




Marriages Jun 1917 (>99%)
Brown John Taberner Leigh 8c 431
Taberner Agnes Brown Leigh 8c 431


Marriages Sep 1911 (>99%)
Smith Agnes Leigh 8c 406
Taberner Peter Leigh 8c 406

Marriage: 28 Jul 1911 St John the Baptist, Atherton, Lancashire, England
Peter Tabener - 23, Collier, Bachelor, 78 Bolton Old Rd.
Agnes Smith - 19, Spinning Room, Spinster, 78 Bolton Old Rd.
Groom's Father: Thomas Tabener, Collier
Bride's Father: Samuel Smith, Collier
Witness: Richard Tabener; Sarah Ellen Williams
Married by Banns by: A. J. Bull Assistant Curate
Register: Marriages 1910 - 1917, Page 34, Entry 68
Source: LDS Family Search

https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/


https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/

LANCE CORPORAL
P TABERNER
Service Number: 20772
Regiment & Unit/Ship: Royal Welsh Fusiliers, 14th Bn.
Died 25 February 1916
Buried or commemorated at
GUARDS CEMETERY, WINDY CORNER, CUINCHY


Stories Obituary Of Peter Taberner: Peter Taberner a miner born in Pemberton Lancashire enlisted on the 11th January 1915 and arrived in France in November 1915. He was killed in action on the 24th February 1916 near Givenchy. He was married to Agnes and had 2 children George and Lois

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BROWN Evelyn SMITH 1924 Leigh Wigan & Leigh L/52/334

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Thank you You have answered a lot with the 1921 census as I wasn't sure it was the right person , as I thought she had been married before and the proof is with the other children from her first marriage. and thank you for birth of Evelyn Brown Smith again I forgot Lancashire BMD it's an age thing!!
Yes I've looked at the Wood family Thank you a lot of info
I know I shouldn't but I swap from one person to another I have to log the last of the Woods in

1911 Census For England & Wales
78 Bolton Old Road Atherton, Atherton, Lancashire, England

Samuel Smith Head Married Male 44 1867 Collier hewer Lancs Atherton
Marggret Smith Wife Married Female 42 1869 Housewife Lancs Atherton
Agnes Smith Daughter Single Female 19 1892 Cotton piecer Lancs Atherton
Lily Smith Daughter Single Female 14 1897 Lettle piecer c spg Lancs Atherton
Peter Tabiner Lodger Single Male 22 1889 Collier drawer Lancs Pemberton

Thank you I've not done the Smith family as they are only connected by marriage

Pickard
Lois
04/02/1912
02/05/1989
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Leigh, Lancashire, England


1939 Register
12 Knowsley Avenue, Atherton, Atherton U.D., Lancashire, England
Harry Pickard 14 Mar 1905 Male Coal Bagger Deliver Employee - 200 1
Lois Pickard 04 Feb 1912 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 200 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.

Baptism: 1 Jul 1888 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Peter Taberner - [Child] of Thomas Taberner & Esther
Born: 28 Apr
Abode: Pemberton
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: H. F. Lloyd Curate
Register: Baptisms 1886 - 1889, Page 281, Entry 2245
Source: LDS Film 1885687

GEORGE TABERNER
Service Number: 3861196
Regiment & Unit/Ship
East Lancashire Regiment 1st Bn.
Died 07 April 1945
Age 32 years

Buried or commemorated at
REICHSWALD FOREST WAR CEMETERY

1939 Register
140 Wilbraham Street, Leigh, Leigh M.B., Lancashire, England
George Tabemer 24 Feb 1913 Male General Labourer Married 149 1
Martha A Balmer (Tabemer) 14 Oct 1914 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 149 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.

Name: Martha A Taberner
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep 1949
Registration District: Leigh
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Harry Balmer
Volume Number: 10d
Page Number: 91


Name: Martha Alice Balmer
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1914
Registration Date: Nov 1987
Registration District: Wigan
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Volume: 39
Page: 2329

Detail Source
Name: Martha Alice Balmer
Register Type: Cremation
Death Date: 2 Nov 1987
Burial or Cremation Date: 9 Nov 1987
Burial or Cremation Place: Lancashire, England

All that Work ErikaH did for me and It turns out it was the wrong family
SORRY
My John Brown was born 5 Dec 1878 Ancoats Manchester and in 1911 he was with his wife Mary at 33 Fisher st I've got a 1939 Register 33 Fisher St John Brown 24 Jan 1879 ? almost , wife Mary 28 Nov 1879 and Elizabeth Brown 9 Jun 1856 single but going into it it says Married
so it would appear I'm back to square one

I've got John Brown 1855 married Jane Ann Woodhouse 1856-1929 married 1876 Ancoats Manchester had 11 children of which john was one of them

If any one can get 1921 census for 33 Fisher St WITHOUT PAYING that would be great as it seems as though they lived in the same house for years

Thank you

Here you are

1921 Census Of England & Wales
33, Fisher Street, Miles Platting, North Manchester, Lancashire, England

Household members (7 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
John Brown Head
Male 1878 43 Manchester, Lancashire, England Mechanic Chemical Works Hardman Holden, Tar Distillers
Mary Brown Wife
Female 1878 42 Manchester, Lancashire, England Baister Tailoring Kay Lees, Wholesale Clothier
William Brown Son
Male 1904 17 Manchester, Lancashire, England Carter, Out Of Work James Moores, Metal Broker
Joseph Brown Son
Male 1906 14 Manchester, Lancashire, England None, Out Of Work -
John Brown Son
Male 1908 12 Manchester, Lancashire, England - -
Mary Brown Daughter
Female 1911 10 Manchester, Lancashire, England - -
Agnes Brown Daughter
Female 1913 8 Manchester, Lancashire, England - -


and 1939


1939 Register
33 Fisher Street, Manchester, Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England
Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
John Brown 24 Jan 1879 Male Process Worker (Chemical ) Married 46 1
Mary Brown 28 Nov 1879 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 46 2
Elizabeth Brown 09 Jun 1856 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 46 3

The record for this person is officially closed.
John (A) Ferguson 24 Jun 1934 Male At School Single 46 5

I think Elizabeth Brown is widowed not married.


1911 Census For England & Wales
33 Fisher Street Miles Platting Manchester, North Manchester, Lancashire, England
Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Brown Head
Married Male 34 1877 Fitter turner Ancoats Manchester Lancs
Mary Brown Wife
Married Female 32 1879 - Miles Platting Manchester Lancs
William A Brown Son
- Male 6 1905 - Miles Platting Manchester Lancs
Joseph Brown Son
- Male 4 1907 - Miles Platting Manchester Lancs
John Brown Son
- Male 2 1909 - Miles Platting Manchester Lancs


EDIT So this is all the wrong family.

Thank you It does look as though I've done it all wrong So you can't always go off the dates of birth I've got born % Dec Baptised !9 Jan St Andrews Ancoats Manchester but it fits with 1911 census,
The other 1939 that I had his birth was 7 Dec 1878 it's a bit of a puzzle

BROWN, JOHN WOODHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 259

The above does NOT tally with 1939 for Fisher Street

Have you worked BACK from yourself on this line?

Please tell us EXACTLY how you got there.....................have you ANY certs?

Don't want to follow any more wrong lines of research...... ;-) ;-) ;-)

BROWN, AGNES JUDGE
GRO Reference: 1913 S Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 740

BROWN, MARY JUDGE
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 391

BROWN, JOHN JUDGE
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 374

BROWN, JOSEPH JUDGE
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 337

BROWN, WILLIAM ALVIN JUDGE
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 341


Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%)
Brown John Prestwich 8d 709
JUDGE Mary Prestwich 8d 709
Stott Samuel Prestwich 8d 709
Walker Florence Emma Prestwich 8d 709


EDIT This is the wrong family.

Name: John Brown
Age in 1911: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 38 Scott St St Andrew's St Manchester
Marital status: Married
Occupation: House Painter
Registration District Number: 466
Sub-registration District: Central
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 24127
Household Members:
Name Age
John Brown 55
Jane Ann Brown 55
Stewart Brown 21
Bertha Brown 18
Jane Ann Brown 17
Robert Brown 15
Albert Brown 10
May Clegg 4................Niece
Ethel Brown 13

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Cross Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England
View original record
Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Woodhouse Head
- Male 40 1831 - Lancashire, England
Jane Ann Woodhouse Daughter
- Female 15 1856 - Lancashire, England
Martha Woodhouse Daughter
- Female 13 1858 - Lancashire, England



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
38, Scott Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England
View original record
Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jane Ann Brown Daughter head
Married Female 25 1856 Housewife Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Brown Son in law
Married Male 25 1856 Painter Manchester, Lancashire, England
William Brown Son
Single Male 4 1877 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Brown Son
Single Male 2 1879 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Maria Brown Daughter
Single Female 0 1881 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

Living with William Woodhouse, a 50 year old widower.


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Scott Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England
View original record
Household members (7 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Brown Head
Married Male 35 1856 Painter Manchester, Lancashire, England
Jane A Brown Wife
Married Female 35 1856 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
William Brown Son
- Male 14 1877 Messenger Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Brown Son
- Male 12 1879 Messenger Manchester, Lancashire, England
Hannah Brown Daughter
- Female 8 1883 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Kezia Brown Daughter
- Female 6 1885 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Stewart Brown Son
- Male 1 1890 - Manchester, Lancashire, England


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
38, Scott Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England
View original record
Household members (11 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Brown Head
Married Male 45 1856 House painter Manchester, Lancashire, England
Jane A Brown Wife
Married Female 45 1856 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Brown Son
Single Male 22 1879 Turner in iron trade Manchester, Lancashire, England
Hannah Brown Daughter
Single Female 18 1883 Machinist (gaiters) Manchester, Lancashire, England
Kezia Brown Daughter
Single Female 16 1885 Machinist (skirts & aprons) Manchester, Lancashire, England
Stewart Brown Son
- Male 11 1890 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Bertha Brown Daughter
- Female 9 1892 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Jane A Brown Daughter
- Female 7 1894 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Robert Brown Son
- Male 5 1896 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ethel Brown Daughter
- Female 3 1898 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Albert B P Brown Son
- Male 0 1901 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

No I haven't got any cerificates I'm going off the ensus you have put father John Brown mother Jane ann Woodhouse That is where I join this family
My Great Grandmother is Martha Woodhouse Jane's younger sister so with it not being a direct ancester as such I've just gone off the internet .
The problem is not being able to get the marriage unless I buy it? Their are that many John Brown's . I was going off him being a fitter that he was in 1901 but the date of birth is wrong ?? the other 1939 with Agnes his age is 2 days out?

I think I'll have to wait and possibly get the marriage of both of them

Thank you for looking and helping
You never know Erika what you did might be right!