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George Prophett death 1859

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Apr 2024 12:13

Mary Ann Prophet
in the 1851 England Census
Name Mary Ann Prophet
Age 27
Estimated Birth Year abt 1824
Relation Head
Mother's Name Betty Prophet
Gender Female
Where born Wacton, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish Nottingham St Nicholas
County/Island Nottinghamshire
Country England
Registration district Nottingham
Sub-registration district Exchange
ED, institution, or vessel 2a
Neighbors
Household schedule number 44
Piece 2133
Folio 353
Page number 10
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Mary Ann Prophet 27 Head - MARRIED
Jane Prophet 8 Daughter
Elizabeth Prophet 6 Daughter
Harriett Prophet 3 Daughter
John Prophet 6 Mo Son
Betty Prophet 74 Mother

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Apr 2024 12:14

Marriages Sep 1865 (>99%)
Downie John Congleton 8a 369
Prophet Mary Ann Congleton 8a 369

Cheshire BMD version..........NOT married in CofE Church
DOWNIE John PROPHET Mary Ann 1865 Congleton, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended Cheshire East C/5/11

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Apr 2024 12:18

Not remarrried until 1865 ??

Mary Ann Prophet
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name Mary Ann Prophet
Registration Year 1865 [1865]
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district Congleton
Inferred County Cheshire
Volume 8a
Page 369
Records on Page (Name)
John Downing
Mary Ann Prophet

Florence61

Florence61 Report 18 Apr 2024 12:20

Yes that is the correct family. But you can see my query on ErikaH's post Census 1851 as George is not there?

Florence61

Florence61 Report 18 Apr 2024 12:22

Yes Mary Ann remarried John Downie in 1865

Where was George in 1851? But says Betty Prophet b 1777 is a widow and mother to the head?Im not sure who's mother she was?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Apr 2024 12:29

As Mary is listed as head of the household, the implication is that Betty is Mary 's mother.

Maybe the enumerator wrote the wrong surname for Betty,
or perhaps he meant mother-in-law.

Florence61

Florence61 Report 18 Apr 2024 12:39

Yes I did wonder if it meant mother in law too

Florence61

Florence61 Report 18 Apr 2024 12:41

Maybe George was just not at that house on the night on the census for whatever reason and was elsewhere?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Apr 2024 12:46

George’s mother’s name was Elizabeth - as per the man’s baptism record which I posted. Betty is the common diminutive thereof.

George was a BOATMAN - he could have been anywhere

As you can see, Mary was ‘married’ when 1851 census was taken

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Apr 2024 12:51

As George is said to be 24 in 1841, that would mean he was born c1817.

If he was born in 1822 (per the 1859 death record, IF that's accurate), he would only have been 19 when he married Mary.

But maybe he lied!



Just a suggestion:

George Prophet
in the Cheshire, England, Select Bishop's Transcripts, 1576-1933
Name George Prophet
Gender Male
Baptism Date 28 Apr 1816
Baptism Place Sandbach, Cheshire, England
Father George Prophet
Mother Elizabeth
FHL Film Number 1751911

His marriage record says his father was George, and he was "of Betteton", which I take to mean Betchton.
Betchton is only a couple of miles from Sandbach.



EDIT:
Oops - sorry, ErikaH. I didn't notice you'd already posted that.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Apr 2024 12:57

George's parents in 1841 ??

George Proffitt
in the 1841 England Census
Name George Proffitt
Age 65
Estimated Birth Year abt 1776
Gender Male
Where born Cheshire, England
Civil parish Sandbach
Hundred Nantwich
County/Island Cheshire
Country England
Registration district Congleton
Sub-registration district Sandbach
Neighbors
Piece 118
Book 2
Folio 8
Page number 9
Household Members (Name) Age
George Proffitt 65, labourer
Betty Proffitt 60
Elizabeth Proffitt 6

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Apr 2024 13:00

His father's death ???

PROPHETT, GEORGE 67
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in CONGLETON Volume 19 Page 68

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Apr 2024 13:09

Siblings of George 1816:

Sarah Prophet 1813
Thomas Proffit 1821
John Profitt 1799

All baptised in Sandbach, children of George and Elizabeth of Betchton.



George and Betty's marriage ??

George Proffett
England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000
Name George Proffett
Sex Male
Event Type Intended Marriage
Event Date 20 Jan 1798
Event Place , Sandbach, Cheshire, England
Marriage Date 20 Jan 1798
Spouse's Name Betty Siddall
Spouse's Sex Female
Note Details From List Of Banns
License Type Banns
Image Number 591

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Apr 2024 13:14

Betty's death:

PROPHETT, ELIZABETH 78
GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in CONGLETON Volume 08A Page 211

Florence61

Florence61 Report 18 Apr 2024 13:40

Oh ty for finding this extra info especially the siblings, that's fantastic info.

Just wondering about Mary Ann's age as on the 1851 census she says she was 24 so born in 1827???? but maybe she also lied?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Apr 2024 13:52

Look closely at the marriage record I posted, and remember, also, that in those days people didn't always know exactly when they were born

They did also lie, of course - especially women with younger husbands ;-) ;-)

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Apr 2024 14:03

?????????????????
First name(s) Mary
County Lincolnshire
Last name Lamiman
Country England
Sex Female
Archive Lincolnshire Archives
Baptism year 1819
Page 3
Baptism date 21 Nov 1819
Record set Lincolnshire Baptisms
Father's first name(s) John...................................Occ: Labourer
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Place Markby

Florence61

Florence61 Report 18 Apr 2024 14:07

Ty ErikaH

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Apr 2024 14:24

PROPHET, FREDERICK DOWNIE -
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 08A Page 40

DOWNIE, MARGARET LAMMIMAN
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 08A Page 35

DOWNIE, HENRY LAMMIMAN
GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 08A Page 40

Florence61

Florence61 Report 18 Apr 2024 14:46

Yes I noticed these children were born before she married again!
She didn't waste much time did she probably needed a sugar daddy to care for all her other "Prophet" children and to keep him happy, had a few more ;-) ;-)