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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Apr 2024 13:28

As things seem rather quiet on the boards at the moment, here's a puzzle to keep you busy:

Who is this man? Can you find any other record of him?

Johnson Port Steaton
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name Johnson Port Steaton
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 11 Jan 1885
Residence Date 1939
Address 74/76 Bedford Street South
Residence Place Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Occupation Mining Engineer (Retired)
Line Number 5
Schedule Number 98
Sub Schedule Number 11
Enumeration District Nhdt
Borough Liverpool
Registration district 453-2
Household Members (Name) Gender
Rosa Braham Female
Harold F Clowers Male
D??cas C Leonard Male
Haydn Davies Male
William B Cass Male
Johnson Port Steaton Male
Margaret Beuson Female [Benson mis-transcribed ]
Annie Seh??wary Female [ Schwarz mis-transcribed ]
Constance Cregeen Female


He's not related to me in any way. I just happened to come across his name while looking for someone else.

His YOB seems to have been changed to 1895.

His name seems mis-transcribed. To me, it looks like Bert Stinton-Johnson.

Or maybe Sturton-Johnson, or something similar.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 22 Apr 2024 14:55

That's a good one. As a mining engineer he could have worked all over the world, married and had chidlren anywhere as well.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Apr 2024 14:59

FMP have the following

1939 Register
74/76 Bedford Street South, Liverpool, Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

Roger Clutton 13 Nov 1913 Male Research Chemist Single 98 1
Emily M Stinton-Johnson 03 Jun 1889 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 98 2
John W Honey 04 Sep 1916 Male Medical Student Single 98 3
Meovyslaw L Plachta 30 Oct 1917 Male Architect Student Single 98 4
The record for this person is officially closed.

Rosa White (Bratram) 03 Feb 1870 Female W A A F Single 98 6
Harold J Olivers 04 Aug 1901 Male Div General Manager Assurance Company Married 98 7
Dical C (Leonard D) Clarkson (Leonard) 14 Oct 1913 Male Service Engineer Heavy Transport Single 98 8
Haydn Davies 28 Jun 1898 Male School Master Married 98 9
William B Cass 12 Sep 1890 Male Tutor Flight Lieu A Married 98 10
Bert Sstinton-Johnson 11 Jan 1895 Male Mining Engineer (Retired) Married 98 11
Margaret (M) Houghton (Benson) 09 Jun 1914 Female Domestic Single 98 12
Anna (Alnni) Schwarz 02 Feb 1899 Female Domestic Single 98 13
Constance Lydamore (Cregeen) 24 Jan 1916 Female Domestic Single 98 14
Rosa Braham 03 Feb 1910 Female -

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Apr 2024 15:01

Deaths Mar 1961 (>99%)
STINTON-JOHNSON Emily M 72 Wallasey 10a 855

Deaths Mar 1969 (>99%)
STINTON-JOHNSON BERT 84 ST.MARYLEBONE 5D 989

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Apr 2024 15:02

Stinton-Johnson
B
1885

1917
Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960
Sierra Leone

Stinton-Johnson
B


1919
Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960
Bombay, India

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 22 Apr 2024 15:04

if you go back a page, same address there is a female Stinton. Johnson ...

The 1945 ER for Wavertree have the following at 39 Childwell Park Avenue:
Stinton, Johnson Emily
Stinton, Johnson Bert.

So it looks as thoough their name is Johnson Stinton

added. Looks a though Bert served in the RFA in WW1 and travelled to and from Bombay

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Apr 2024 15:05

Birth year is definitely 1885

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 22 Apr 2024 15:11

Bert is in a tree on Ancestry - very little infor. Shows him having a daughter Marjorie - Bert & Emily were living with her in 1945

Bert may have married ??? Massey in 1915, St Giles London

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Apr 2024 15:24

Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)
Johnson Bert S Massey St. Giles 1b 1557
Massey Loveday Stinton St.Giles 1b 1557
Massey Loveday Johnson St.Giles 1b 1557
Stinton Thomas Massey St.Giles 1b 1557


Stinton-Johnson Loveday (and Bert)

9, Chapel Park Road, Hastings
1918 (and 1919)
England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1910-1932
Sussex, England

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 22 Apr 2024 15:32

On his journeys to and from Bombay he gives his country of residence as India.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Apr 2024 15:33

She re-married in maiden name

Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
MASSEY Loveday Villiers-Stuart Hastings 2b 82
VILLIERS-STUART Percival G Massey Hastings 2b 82

A tree on Ancestry has Emily's details

Emily Mary W Proughten (Stinton) (Jarrett)
1888–
BIRTH 3 JUN 1888 • Seaforth Barracks, Merseyside, Cheshire, England

PROUGHTEN, EMILY MARY WALLER WARDELL
GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 522

And a daughter Patricia, whose birth and marriage are on freebmd. She died in 2009

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Apr 2024 15:35

Name Henry Jarrett
Gender Male
Marriage Age 25
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1887
Marriage Date 18 May 1912
Marriage Place Saint Mark, Kennington: Kennington Park Road, Lambeth, England
Father Frederick John Jarrett
Spouse Emily Mary Proughton
Register Type Parish Register

Henry was in the Household Cavalry

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Apr 2024 15:38

Name Emily Mary Stinton-Johnson
Birth Date 1889
Death Date 1961
Cemetery Frankby Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Frankby, Metropolitan Borough of Wirral, Merseyside, England
Also daughter PATRICIA, who had three children

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Apr 2024 16:02

Name Bert Stenton Johnson
Gender Male
Departure Age 37
Birth Date abt 1885
Departure Date 28 Apr 1922
Departure Port England
Ship Name Madura
Shipping Line P & O S N Co
Destination Port Bombay, India
Master S G Oare

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Apr 2024 16:33

Well done, Names and ErikaH!

For some stupid reason, I hadn't checked for a death for him, which would have been the obvious thing to do!
I couldn't find anything for him - but now I look again, there are lots of records!

it looks as if he was probably born abroad, maybe India.

The 1919 travel record posted by ErikaH gives his "country of last permanent residence" as India. [EDIT: and other records, as noted by Names.]

Bert Stinton Johnson
in the UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name Bert Stinton Johnson
Arrival Age 34
Birth Date abt 1885
Port of Departure Bombay, India
Arrival Date 18 Oct 1919
Port of Arrival London, England
Ports of Voyage Calcutta; Colombo; Port Said; Plymouth, Devon, England
Ship Name Mandala
Shipping Line British India Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number 137806

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Apr 2024 16:36


1911 Census For England & Wales
31 Kennington Oval S E, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

Charles James Proughten Head Married Male 50 1861 Army pensioner military clerk St Marys Islington London
Alice Mary Proughten Wife Married Female 47 1864 - St Marys Scarborough Yorks
Emily Mary Proughten Daughter Single Female 22 1889 Shawroom assistant Manchester Lancs
Florence Isabell Proughten Daughter Single Female 21 1890 Drapers assistant Seaforth Liverpool
George Herbert Radcliffe Boarder Single Male 25 1886 Solidier clerk a s corps Exeter Devon
William Roy Boarder Single Male 23 1888 Solidier clerk a s corps Wynberg So Africa

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Apr 2024 16:38

Failed miserably in quest for marriage between Bert and Emily :-( :-( :-(

She was living with Grandmother Wardell in Scarborough in 1901

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Apr 2024 17:00

The daughter Patricia's birth record (1926) gives mmn wrongly as Jarrett.

Bert and Emily appear not to have married - unless maybe abroad.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 22 Apr 2024 17:28

If this was serious research I think we would all be saying ‘Get the Certificates’.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Apr 2024 19:07

Definitely!