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Florence61
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8 May 2024 17:10 |
William G Haggerty b 1878 Kent d 1922 m 1898? Clara E Appleton b 1878 Kent
In the 1911 census, Clara is with her parents George & Alice Appleton. Clara has 2 children Alice E Haggerty b1899 Dover Minnie Ada E haggerty b 1901 Woolwich
It shows on the household that Clara is married and gives the year as 1898 but for the life of me I cannot find that marriage. I looked on Genes, Family.search free BMD.
William was a Soldier Gunner Ryl Artillery. on the 1901 census
I tried various spellings of Haggerty/Haggarty/Hagerty/Hagartay but cannot find the marriage.
Anyone able to try and find the marriage for me please
Just for info he was 1 of 5 children. First 3 were born in Gibraltar as his parents were there for 5 years, William and Emily were both born in Kent. But his parents were also born in uk. James Haggerty b 1849 london Elizabeth Sexton b 1845 d 1915
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ArgyllGran
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8 May 2024 18:29 |
Perhaps they didn't marry? Maybe they had only been together since 1898, and said they were married for respectability.
Posting 1901 for our reference:
Clara E Haggerty in the 1901 England Census Name Clara E Haggerty Age 23 Estimated Birth Year abt 1878 Relation to Head Wife Gender Female Spouse William G Haggerty Birth Place Erith, Kent, England Civil parish Woolwich Search Photos View blank form Ecclesiastical parish St Michael and All Angels County/Island London Country England Registration district Woolwich Sub-registration district Woolwich ED, institution, or vessel 22 Neighbors Piece 567 Folio 89 Page number 21 Household schedule number 151 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship William G Haggerty 23 Head Clara E Haggerty 23 Wife Alice E Haggerty 2 Daughter Minnie Ada Haggerty 1/12 Daughter
HAGGERTAY, ALICE ELIZA mmn APPLETON GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in DOVER Volume 02A Page 1043
HAGGERTY, MINNIE ADA ELIZABETH mmn APPLETON GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1242
William is also recorded at the Royal Artillery Barracks in 1901:
William George Haggarty in the 1901 England Census Name William George Haggarty Age 23 Estimated Birth Year abt 1878 Relation to Head Son [most of the many soldiers are listed as "son" - wrong! ] Gender Male Father Charles Milne [NO! mistranscription ] Birth Place Camberley, Surrey, England Civil parish Woolwich Search Photos View blank form Ecclesiastical parish St Mary County/Island London Country England Registration district Woolwich Sub-registration district Woolwich ED, institution, or vessel Royal Artillery Barracks, Green Hill Schools, Repository, Gun Park and Observatory Neighbors Piece 569 Folio 132 Page number 40 Household schedule number 1
William and Clara appear to have separated. In 1911 he's with another "wife" Rosina Frances (formerly Evans; nee Marlow), whom he didn't marry until 1914 - and a "daughter" Lilian. He's claiming to have been married for 10 years, which isn't true .
William George Haggarty in the 1911 England Census Name William George Haggarty Age in 1911 33 Estimated Birth Year abt 1878 Relation to Head Head Gender Male Birth Place Cam Civil parish Plumstead County/Island London Country England Street Address 189 Sandy Hill Road, Plumstead, Woolwich Marital Status Married Occupation Officers Servant Registration District Number 30 Sub-registration district Plumstead West ED, institution, or vessel 04 Piece 2886 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship William George Haggarty 33 Head Roseina Francis Haggarty 33 Wife Lillian Haggarty 9 Daughter - Woolwich
Lilian is Rosina's daughter from her first marriage.
EVANS, LILIAN ROSINA mmn MARLOW GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1343
Rosina married again in 1927, to William Balch.
Confusingly, Rosina's first marriage was in 1898:
Marriages Sep 1898 (>99%) Evans Thomas Woolwich 1d 2146 Marlow Rosina Frances Woolwich 1d 2146
But I don't see any marriage for Clara and William.
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Jink20
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8 May 2024 18:51 |
Does the Census identify which Battalion he was serving? It would make it easier to try to find his service record (which may include marriage details) in the National Archives website
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ErikaH
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8 May 2024 18:51 |
The 1901 military census record for William clearly records him as SINGLE
He would have required Army permission to marry
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Florence61
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8 May 2024 18:56 |
Gosh what a muddle! Ty for finding all that.
At the barracks in 1901 it says his father is Charles Milne???That has confused me!
So he was a bit of a "toe rag", leaving Clara, marrying someone else and was he actually married in the first place?
Thankyou AG for your assistance
Florence in the hebrides
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Jink20
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8 May 2024 18:58 |
Your "Toe Rag" ???
British Army Service Records Camberly, Surrey, England
First name(s) William Attestation corps Royal Artillery Last name Haggerty Discharge corps Royal Artillery Birth year 1878 Document type Attestation Birth parish Camberly Archive reference WO 97 Birth county Surrey Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913 Birth country England Box 5014 Service number 88934 Box record number 121 Regiment Royal Artillery Archive The National Archives Year 1892 Country England Attestation date 15 Feb 1892 Record set British Army Service Records Attestation age years 14 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Attestation age months 5 Subcategory Regimental & Service Records Attestation service number 88934 Collections from Great Britain, England
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Jink20
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8 May 2024 19:07 |
NOK for above reads "James" , 56 Ordnance Place, Chatham
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Florence61
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8 May 2024 19:11 |
Williams father was James.
Does that mean he joined the army at 14 years old?
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Jink20
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8 May 2024 19:13 |
Served 15 Feb 92 until 14 Feb 1904
No Abroad Service
GSW left finger (illeg) accident not on duty
Re-signed 21 April 1904 until 20 April 1908
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ArgyllGran
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8 May 2024 19:14 |
The mention of Charles Milne in 1901 is a mistranscription.
For some reason, the enumerator has listed most of the many soldiers, including Charles Milne, (aged 24, born Scotland) as "son".
Goodness knows why the transcriber picked on Charles Milne as the "father" of William .
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Florence61
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8 May 2024 19:21 |
Jink20 ty for that info.
AG ty for the clarification
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Jink20
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8 May 2024 19:28 |
Only problem ...... Attestation paper reads William was born Camberley, Surrey ( fib??) attested in Shoebury, Essex
Your chap was born Kent
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ArgyllGran
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8 May 2024 19:42 |
1901 (with Clara), 1901 at Barracks, and 1911, all say William was born in Camberley.
His birth:
HAGGERTAY, WILLIAM GEORGE mmn RULE GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 93
Farnham reg district would have included Camberley. There's no William G Heggarty (or other spelling) born in Kent, 1870-80.
ADDED: 1891 and 1881 say Sandhurst. Sandhurst is about 2.5 miles from Camberley.
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ErikaH
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8 May 2024 20:11 |
OP says born Kent, which is obviously just an error by the poster
And, as I posted at 18:51, the Army recorded him as single in 1901
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Jink20
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8 May 2024 21:01 |
Re-enlisted ???????
Medal card of Haggerty, William George Reference: WO 372/8/192811 Description: Medal card of Haggerty, William George Corps Regiment No Rank Royal Army Medical Corps 87522 Private Date: 1914-1920 Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Enlisted 24/10/ 1916 Discharged 11/09/1918
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Jink20
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8 May 2024 21:12 |
In case you weren't aware- no image
Name William George Haggerty Birth Date 1878 Death Date 31 May 1922 Cemetery Grange Road Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place Gillingham, Medway Unitary Authority, Kent, England Has Bio? N https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/225508642/william-george-haggerty
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Florence61
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8 May 2024 22:32 |
But in 1901 census he is with his wife Clara and the 2 children so although it says wife, he must have lied but she gives her name as Clara Haggerty???
The reason I put Kent was because it put London, Kent but also Plumstead, london ,Kent. I personally wouldn't put London in Kent, it wasn't when I lived in Kent!
He chopped and changed his mind like the weather! But in the end he was buried in Kent,
Ty for all the info, nothing more to add now
Florence in the hebrides
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ArgyllGran
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9 May 2024 09:33 |
Re 1901 - yes, Clara would have used William's surname for respectability. They were living as husband and wife, and the children's births were registered under the name Haggerty.
Clara kept the name Haggerty for the rest of her life.
London and Plumstead were where they were living, not where William was born.
Just to add - In 1921, William is in Gillingham, Kent, where he died in 1922. In 1921, he's with Rosina; Rosina's daughter Lilian; his own daughter Minnie; Kathleen 1912 ( his daughter with Rosina); and a sixth person whose surname apparently isn't Haggerty. (Don't have sub to see who it is.)
Good to see that he kept in touch with at least some of his first family.
HAGGERTY, KATHLEEN MARY mmn MARLOW GRO Reference: 1912 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 1388
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9 May 2024 09:49 |
1921 Census Of England & Wales 19, Wood Street, Brompton, Gillingham, Kent, England
William Haggerty Head Male 1878 42 Camberley, Surrey, England Clerk Book Keeper Re Record Office (Out Of Work) Rosina Haggerty Wife Female 1878 42 Canterbury, Kent, England House Hold Duties - Minnie Haggerty Daughter Female 1900 20 Woolwich, Kent, England Domestic Mr G Lingley Reiceving Laundry Office Lillian Haggerty Daughter Female 1902 18 Woolwich, Kent, England - - Kathleen Haggerty Daughter Female 1912 9 Chatham, Kent, England - - John Hewett Lodger Male 1863 58 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Fitter Engine Government Hm Dockyard Chatham
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9 May 2024 09:57 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census 38, Manor Road, Erith, Dartford, Kent, England
George Appleton Head Married Male 35 1856 Labourer Hampshire, England Alice Appleton Wife Married Female 34 1857 - London, Middlesex, England Clara E Appleton Daughter - Female 12 1879 Scholar Erith, Kent, England George Appleton Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Erith, Kent, England Alice M Appleton Daughter - Female 3 1888 Scholar Erith, Kent, England Florence E Appleton Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Erith, Kent, England
APPLETON, CLARA HELEN BRAXTON GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 412
1921 Census Of England & Wales 105, Lower Road, Erith, Kent, England George Appleton Head Male 1854 66 Hampshire, England Driver Engine Thomas Law Mills Steam Erith Kent Alice Maud Appleton Wife Female 1854 67 Wapping, London, England House Wife - Florence Emily Appleton Daughter Female 1892 29 Kent, England At Home No Occupation House Work Clara Ellen Haggerty Daughter Female 1882 38 Kent, England Daily Worker Mr Jefferys Corn Merchant Erith Kent
Haggertay Clara H 1879 1942 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Dartford, Kent, England
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