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1921 census Parmanand Madan

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Marian

Marian Report 8 May 2024 17:46

Hello, please could I have a look up for the above. He was born 1897 India and is at Toxteth Park, Lancs. I would like to know his address and his occupation. According to his obituary in the Sunderland Daily Echo dated 14 February 1949 it says Dr P Madan aged 51 Wearside physician and surgeon etc, could someone look at the full article.

He married Blanche Witty or Arthur 1925 Liverpool. There is a Blanche Witty in Blackpool, Lancs in 1921 (says born Bristol) with about 50 odd other people! I'd like a look at her also. I can't see a Blanche Arthur on the 1921 census.

Their daughter Sheila Thelma was born 1925 Liverpool maiden name Arthur on FreeBMD. No mother's maiden name on GRO indexes.

There is a Blanche Arthur who married John Witty 1920 Basford area but is this Blanche?

No sign of Parmanand, Blanche or Thelma on 1939 register.

Thank you.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 May 2024 18:07

Have you bought the marriage cert to see what her marital status was on marriage

Marian

Marian Report 8 May 2024 18:22

I haven't Shirley.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 May 2024 18:23

1939 register

Name Parmanaud Madan
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 5 Mar 1897
Residence Date 1939
Address 4
Residence Place Sunderland, Durham, England
Occupation Medical Practitioner
Line Number 20
Schedule Number 98
Sub Schedule Number 1
Enumeration District Fdph
Borough Sunderland
Registration district 555 4
Civil Defense Role A.r.p.
Household Members (Name) Gender Birth Year
Parmanaud Madan Male 1897 married. No wife listed
Hannah I Heptinstall
Female
1898 widow
Agnes M Heptinstall
Female
1926 single

Jink20

Jink20 Report 8 May 2024 18:23

FMP entries


1921 Census Of England & Wales
72, Mulgrave Street, Liverpool, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England

He was boarding at the above address
Parmanand Madan Boarder Male 1897 24 India Medical Student -

Marital status ********** Widowed ********
Ward of borough or urban district Granby
Birth place India
Parliamentary borough or division Liverpool PB, East Toxteth Div.
Birth country India
Archive The National Archives
Birth place as transcribed ********** Salowald, Sialkot The Punjab India
Archive series RG 15
Education Whole-Time
Piece number 17468
Occupation Medical Student
District reference RD 454 RS 3 ED 28
Occupation code 568
Schedule type code E
Occupation code with suffix 568/6
Schedule type England household, single page, 10 entries
Place of work *************Medical School University Liverpool****

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Parmanand Madan in 1925
England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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First name(s) Parmanand
County Lancashire
Last name Madan
Country England
Marriage quarter 3
Volume 8B
Marriage year 1925
Volume as transcribed 8B
Registration month -
Page number 521
MarriageFinder™ Parmanand Madan married one of these people
Blanche Arthur
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Spouse's last name Witty Or Arthur
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Liverpool
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
District number -
Collections from Great Britain, England

Jink20

Jink20 Report 8 May 2024 18:25

England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019
Great Britain

Parmanand Madan in 1949
England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019
Great Britain
First name(s) Parmanand
Residence town -
Last name Madan
Linked persons Blanche Madan
Death year 1949
Record set England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019
Death date 13 Feb 1949
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Probate year 1949
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Probate date 17 Jun 1949
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
Probate registry Durham

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 May 2024 18:26

Marriages Mar 1920
Arthur Blanche Witty Basford 7b 395
Witty John Arthur Basford 7b 395

Edit both were aged 25

John witty was a boat builder father Arthur james witty

Blanche no occupation father siegmund Arthur jeweller

Edit
Looks like there was a divorce!

Name John Witty
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 30 Jan 1895
Residence Date 1939
Address 48
Residence Place West Bridgford, Nottinghamshire, England
Occupation Boat Builder (Master) >>>>>>>>>
Line Number 18
Schedule Number 196
Sub Schedule Number 1
Enumeration District Rnsp
Borough West Bridgford
Registration district 429-2
Inferred Spouse
Annie Witty
Inferred Children
John H Witty
Household Members (Name) Gender Birth Year
John Witty Male 1895
Annie Witty
Female
1895
John H Witty
Male
1932


Name Annie Wahlen
Registration Date Jul 1926
[Aug 1926]
[Sep 1926]
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district Basford
Inferred County Nottinghamshire
Spouse
John Witty
Volume Number 7b
Page number 416


Birth
WITTY, JOHN HEATON
GRO Reference: 1932 D Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 512

Free bmd has mmn as Warren!

Marian

Marian Report 8 May 2024 18:30

Thank you Shirley and Jinx. Can you let me know where Blanche is in 1921 please.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 May 2024 18:32

Births Dec 1925
Madan Sheila T Arthur Liverpool 8b 403

Never married

Title Ms
Area Cleveland
First name(s) Sheila Thelma
Postcode area TS
Last name Madan
Postcode district TS26
Sex Female
Postcode sector TS26 9
Birth year 1926
County Durham
Birth date 1926
Country England
Age 82
Record set England & Wales Deaths 2007-2021
Death year 2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death date 21 Feb 2008
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Residence Hartlepool
Collections from England, Great Britain, Wales


Will be a closed record on the 1939 register

Jink20

Jink20 Report 8 May 2024 18:34

Your Blanche??

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Palatine Hotel, Blackpool, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Blanche
Full address as transcribed Palatine Hotel, Blackpool
Last name Witty
Parish Blackpool
Sex Female
Registration district Fylde
Birth year 1896
Registration district number 477
Census date 19 June 1921
Sub-district Blackpool North
Age in years 25
Sub-district number 4
Age in months 6
Enumeration district number 28
Age as transcribed 25 y 6 m
County Lancashire
Relationship to head Visitor
Country England
Marital status Married
Ward of borough or urban district Bank Hey
Birth place Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Parliamentary borough or division Blackpool PB
Birth town Bristol
Archive The National Archives
Birth county Gloucestershire
Archive series RG 15
Birth country England
Piece number 20786
Birth place as transcribed Warsaw, Poland, Bristol
Page 3
Occupation Traveller (Commercial)
District reference RD 477 RS 4 ED 28
Occupation code 773
Schedule type code EEE
Occupation code with suffix 773/6
Schedule type England household, multiple page, 70 entries
Employer Yoonne A Menazdis
Other household member's first name(s) ? John, Alfred, Alice, Arthur Holme, Arthur, Cecil George Firth, Christopher Redmond, Eliza Dard, Ernest Guy, Frank, Fred, George Paghing, Gertrude, Grace Flora, Harold James, Herbert Henry, Hugh, Ida Rose
Employer code 345
Other household member's last name Miller, Foinquinos, Hoyle, Lees, Fellon, Oxby, Adams, Pentercost, Waticher, Whiteby, Beam, Fellingham, Thornley, Woods, Cook, Hall, Grahame, Bird
Place of work London, No Fixed Place
Record set 1921 Census Of England & Wales
Language used to complete form English
Category Census, land & surveys
Person making return Percy Arthur Spencer
Subcategory Census
Street Palatine Hotel
Collections from Great Britain, England
Address Palatine Hotel

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 May 2024 18:37

This looks like Blanche in 1921

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Palatine Hotel, Blackpool, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Blanche
Full address as transcribed Palatine Hotel, Blackpool
Last name Witty
Parish Blackpool
Sex Female
Registration district Fylde
Birth year 1896
Registration district number 477
Census date 19 June 1921
Sub-district Blackpool North
Age in years 25
Sub-district number 4
Age in months 6
Enumeration district number 28
Age as transcribed 25 y 6 m
County Lancashire
Relationship to head Visitor
Country England
Marital status Married
Ward of borough or urban district Bank Hey
Birth place Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Parliamentary borough or division Blackpool PB
Birth town Bristol
Archive The National Archives
Birth county Gloucestershire
Archive series RG 15
Birth country England
Piece number 20786
Birth place as transcribed Warsaw, Poland, Bristol
Page 3
Occupation Traveller (Commercial)
District reference RD 477 RS 4 ED 28
Occupation code 773
Schedule type code EEE
Occupation code with suffix 773/6
Schedule type England household, multiple page, 70 entries
Employer Yoonne A Menazdis
Other household member's first name(s) ? John, Alfred, Alice, Arthur Holme, Arthur, Cecil George Firth, Christopher Redmond, Eliza Dard, Ernest Guy, Frank, Fred, George Paghing, Gertrude, Grace Flora, Harold James, Herbert Henry, Hugh, Ida Rose
Employer code 345
Other household member's last name Miller, Foinquinos, Hoyle, Lees, Fellon, Oxby, Adams, Pentercost, Waticher, Whiteby, Beam, Fellingham, Thornley, Woods, Cook, Hall, Grahame, Bird
Place of work London, No Fixed Place
Record set 1921 Census Of England & Wales
Language used to complete form English
Category Census, land & surveys
Person making return Percy Arthur Spencer
Subcategory Census
Street Palatine Hotel
Collections from Great Britain, England
Address Palatine Hotel

Marian

Marian Report 8 May 2024 18:40

Thank you both, much appreciated.

Jink20

Jink20 Report 8 May 2024 18:42

I can read the newspaper article is there anything specific you would like to know?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 May 2024 18:44

Wrong birth year but ?

1939 Register
Grange House, Alston, Alston with Garrigill R.D., Cumberland, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Amelia Rochester 24 Oct 1875 Female Boarding-House Proprietor Widowed 18 1
John J Stockdale 04 Feb 1919 Male Bank Clerk Single 18 2
Percy Mills 06 Dec 1915 Male Motor Driver & Co-Operative Grocery Salesman Single 18 3
Maurice Wilson 27 May 1920 Male Locomotive Cleaner Single 18 4
Blanche Madan 22 Dec 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 18 5
The record for this person is officially closed.
Closed record couid be Sheila


Her birth date is covered so 1900 isn’t what it’s says

Looks like the blanking slipped upwards

The closed record shows birth of 30th nov 1925 so that IS Sheila

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 May 2024 18:52

Sheila's birth from GRO:

MADAN, SHEILA THELMA mmn ARTHUR
GRO Reference: 1925 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 403

From 1925 onwards, GRO only shows mmn if you have entered it as a search term.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 May 2024 18:56

?

Deaths Dec 1954
Madan Blanche M 69 Kensington 5c 983

Deaths June 1977
MADAN BLANCHE 23DE1898 N CLEVELAND 3 2715

Marian

Marian Report 8 May 2024 19:10

Hello Jinx, the article on FMP stops at Wearside physician and surgeon who had practised...... , I just wondered what it said after that - thanks.
Thank you for the 1939 Shirley.
Argyll, I didn't realise that about the GRO thanks.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 May 2024 19:28

". . . . who had practised in Fern Terrace, Southwick, for more than 20 years, died at his home yesterday following a long illness. A prominent Freemason for more than 16 years. Dr Madan was a Past Master of the Vedra Lodge, and member of Vedra Mark Lodge. Before coming to Sunderland. Dr Madan had previously practised In Manchester for three years. He is survived by widow and one daughter. "

Marian

Marian Report 8 May 2024 19:33

Thank you Argyll.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 May 2024 20:06

Just one of a huge number of entries, over many years:

Parmanand Madan
in the UK and Ireland, Medical Registers, 1859-1943
Name Parmanand Madan
Registration Date 28 Jul 1922
Registration Place England
Residence or Employment Date 1928
Residence or Employment Place 6, Fern Avenue, Southwickon-Wear

Qualifications: LRCP, Edinburgh 1922; LRCS, Edinburgh 1922; LRFPS, Glasgow, 1922.